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Old 2008-03-10, 18:26   Link #2161
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>.< Yeah. I'm still working out the timelines. Now that I think back on it. The time would have to be stretched much futher. I wanted to set up a time period where Earth does have the ability to sustain trade.
What would be a more realistic development period for something as massive as reverse engineering technology from a Dimensional Cruiser?
Also take into account that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from Magic. Who's to say that the technology behind a Dimensional Cruiser is all magic? It could be only the weapon system. The flight capabilities probably wouldn't be reversed engineered since they'd most likely be destroyed in the crash. I'm mainly hedging on the fact that the life support and partial analysis in the drive systems would be enough to get ideas to develop a self-sustaining environment of a Colony. From the experience building the colony and the ship yard, they can start development on the cruisers. They probably wouldn't have anything like the Arc-en-ciel, but battleship cannons adapted to fire in 0-G would work.
Magic would come in later since they really aren't paying attention to that aspect until after contact with TSAB.
(Sigh\ Sorry, I'm trying to keep this away from becoming a Science and Technology discussion, but it keeps coming back to it because of the details.)

Earth Unifications, unfortunately, have never really been depicted in anime too well. Robotech, or Macross if you'd like, formed one in fear of an alien invasion. Of course unification itself was resisted. Even TV shows such as Star Trek and the like do something similar. Of course Star Trek's united government was formed in the fall out of WWIII.
I was thinking more of a Global counsel designed to unite the governments of the Earth with potential of trade in the future. I'll probably make it so that the Unification wasn't formed uncontested, but that's something I'll probably work on later.

I'm still trying to balance power in this fic.
Anyway, with the issue of needing mages. One thing that has to be taken into account is that it is likely TSAB have encountered civilizations that have used Physical type weapons and have some way to combat this. After all, they must have used them at some point in time to have decided against it's use.
The problem with anti-armor I see is it's mobility. Higher Rank mages are much more maneuverable than current anti-armor weaponry which are usually designed for heavier and slower targets.

A Nuke is just overkill and a weapon even we are extremely reluctant, if not opposed, to the use of. The sheer damage potential vs fall out one of the reasons we don't use it.

Heh. Why is it so much harder to develop a fanfic fusion based on two different ideas when Anime can just take off with it?
Regarding the fleet, I'll leave it aside for now (posting on the run)

Now, this is a controversial topic but arkangelsk in the magictech thread insists that Divine Buster Extension has a max range of 100 meters which indicates that mage combat in Nanoha is at ridiculously low ranges. Leaving that aside, conventional weapons can still be dangerous.

Anti-armor weapons (RPGs, ATGMs) will be useful against mages. Shield spells will protect from the projectile impact, but they don't protect from the shockwave, which will damage the internal organs; according to doctors in an Israeli hospital that was profiled by Time, most deaths from suicide bombings are from shockwave damage to the internal organs, not the bomb itself. The Barrier Jacket's field might mitigate the shockwave to some extent but Magitech thread is still trying to hash it out and see how much protection there is. Regardless, ATGMs and rifles fire a lot faster than beams, and the rate of fire is also higher, thus they'd still be credible threats to Ground Forces and flight mages.

Also, snipers will be very important. While the barrier jackets can apparently take a fair amount of physical damage and not hurt the user, conventional weapons > magic in that ambushes are harder to detect; empty a crapload of ammo into a mage and the shield will go down eventually. Plus, shields are single-direction. Have a mage take fire from front, he raises shield... and gets shot in the head from behind. A Barrett .50cal sniper rifle doesn't have the powerup that can be detected on sensors.

Magitech's speculations on banning of mass-weapons is that they were banned wholesale along with nukes after the final war scenario Fate was telling Erio and Caro about.

6 years to develop working tech from the TSAB ship is a bit too fast though. Stargate doesnt count because the Tau'ri had help from the Asgard and "acquired" a crapload of tech.

The weapons may not be capable of reverse engineering.... one thing we see in StrikerS is that GFHQ had generators running the barrier, so probably magitech weapons can run off generators as well.

Batteries.... iffy. You'd probably need bigger bulkier batteries and they weigh more than ammo clips which means less combat staying power and more rearming periods.

I have to dig up to October-November backlogs on when Kagerou and TK3997 wargamed the TSAB invasion of Erusia, but essentially, remember this: If Erusia, which had mages, working copies more or less of TSAB warships, and a tech level greater Earths by several centuries, plus was heavily militarised and spent years preparing for the invasion, and Lost, Earth ain't gonna stand a chance.
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Old 2008-03-10, 18:30   Link #2162
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On a more serious note..... what the fudge.... This is beyond OC level crack....
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Old 2008-03-10, 18:32   Link #2163
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Kriss, Resistance is futile...

The Power of OC compels you to become one of us

Join us in the Khrack


On a more serious note..... what the fudge.... This is beyond OC level crack....
The RH thing?

AND NO I RESIST! I shall never indulge in the KHRACK!
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Old 2008-03-10, 18:51   Link #2164
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The RH thing?

AND NO I RESIST! I shall never indulge in the KHRACK!
The RH thing is Kerokanon!

She turned Nanoha into a landscaper!, er, pervert! ....same thing.......
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Old 2008-03-10, 18:56   Link #2165
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The RH thing is Kerokanon!

She turned Nanoha into a landscaper!, er, pervert! ....same thing.......
The power of the OC compels you.
The power of the OC compels you.
The power of the OC compels you.
The power of the OC compels you.
The power of the OC compels you.
The power of the OC compels you.
The power of the OC compels you.
The power of the OC compels you.

So...if Nanoha is a landscaper...who's bushes does she prune?

*RUNS*
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Old 2008-03-10, 18:56   Link #2166
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Old 2008-03-10, 18:59   Link #2167
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Guys.....please keep Cadia crack in Cadia....if the MODership and Sky Fall on our heads we'll be in big trouble....

And I mean with stuff like OC compelling people >.>
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Old 2008-03-10, 19:10   Link #2168
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6 years to reverse engineer a transdimensional cruiser? When a good deal of its systems are related to a phenomena that Earth science has allowance for (magic)? I don't think so.
United Earth government because of that? I'd put the probability of this on the low side.
Sanctions? Earth's economy is self-sustaining. Trade sanctions when we have no trade with other worlds is pointless.
The last thing I want to ask is, how badly does Earth need mages? Ships and shipboard weapons are one thing. But our infantry physical weapons today are powerful enough to deal with any mage under A-rank. And we have more infantry than they have mages. For higher ranks, we can throw anti-armor, area bombardment and even nuke weapons to take them out. And we have way more of those than they have over-A mages.
For the record, I believe the TSAB has to have way more resources than Earth has Nitrogen molecules in it's atmosphere, and therefore a significant number of just-under-S ranks for it to even exist in the first place; it's just the AMF that made everyone on TSAB look like idiots.

In a war of attrition, unless the conflict turns into a Sparta VS Persia situation, Earth will lose. And if the TSAB manage to create something like an AMF for tech weapons (a powerful hex that curses all machines into paralysis for example), there'd be no fight like how Jail pwn'd Midchilda.

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Nanoha x Raising Heart lemon!

http://snappoll.com/poll/257435.php

Choose your destiny!
...

That's it, I'm turning the channel into a LiveChat helpdesk for people who get lost in Outer Cadia! ()

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Kriss, Resistance is futile...

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On a more serious note..... what the fudge.... This is beyond OC level crack....
Nope, it's a new kind of crack made by Infecting Satashi-nyan with Kagerack. I call this new drug Satashol.
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Old 2008-03-10, 19:13   Link #2169
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Nope, it's a new kind of crack made by Infecting Satashi-nyan with Kagerack. I call this new drug Satashol.
O.o Satashol?!!!! O.o

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Old 2008-03-10, 19:14   Link #2170
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...Explain the Kagecrack, pls. NAO. Do you REALLY wanna scare off FF?
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Old 2008-03-10, 19:15   Link #2171
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O.o Satashol?!!!! O.o

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Still doesn't equal Aaron-kun's "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!" breaker, but it's good nevertheless

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...Explain the Kagecrack, pls. NAO. Do you REALLY wanna scare off FF?
Apparently he does
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Old 2008-03-10, 19:17   Link #2172
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*starts cracking knuckles*....

Kha...you'd better start talking....

Oh lawd the whole thread is starting to go off topic....

TOPIC REALIGNER ENGAGED!!!

Out of curiousity, I challenge someone to write one of the following pairings with a romantic premise, with a minimum of 1000 words:

Nanoha/Subaru or Hayate/Reinforce 1
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Old 2008-03-10, 19:19   Link #2173
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*drops something into the thread*

Spoiler for Breaker!:


*hops into gondola and ROWS AT LUDICROUS SPEED*
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Old 2008-03-10, 19:22   Link #2174
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*drops something into the thread*

Spoiler for Breaker!:


*hops into gondola and ROWS AT LUDICROUS SPEED*
Arthur/Mathias/Dae/Kay:

Lauren/Selene/Dia/Samantha: *kick boys into gondola*

*boys help Saint X ROW FASTER*

Creator-tan: You'd better activate that G.N Drive of yours
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Old 2008-03-10, 19:27   Link #2175
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Nanoha/Subaru or Hayate/Reinforce 1
I will kindly decline this challenge, as I don't care for N/S and H/Re1 would be too sad T_T

Only N/S I have is a hard copy doujin that's really quite good. cover scans are unavailable because they're not AS safe
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Old 2008-03-10, 19:29   Link #2176
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Nanoha x Raising Heart lemon!

http://snappoll.com/poll/257435.php

Choose your destiny!
:3 I say yes because I have to know how it would turn out. (What was that about curiosity and the cat...)

@ Ash I like That Day more and more with every chapter.
@Anyone reading Magical Babysitter Lyrical Zafira I've finally gotten out of the writing slump I was in and have started writing chapter 3.
@ Rest of FF The at which krack is posted is incredible I wrote the out this message refreshed before I was about to post and there were about five more krackity posts posted
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Old 2008-03-10, 19:31   Link #2177
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:3 I say yes because I have to know how it would turn out. (What was that about curiosity and the cat...)

@ Ash I like That Day more and more with every chapter.
@Anyone reading Magical Babysitter Lyrical Zafira I've finally gotten out of the writing slump I was in and have started writing chapter 3.
@ Rest of FF The at which krack is posted is incredible I wrote the out this message refreshed before I was about to post and there were about five more krackity posts posted
So far it's 17 yes, 12 no. Looks like RH is going to get to have some fun : p

What's Magical Babysitter Lyrical Zafira about?


I can't deal with the krack of the OC thread, but I love the chat :3

Sultan Zafira!
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Old 2008-03-10, 19:34   Link #2178
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So far it's 17 yes, 12 no. Looks like RH is going to get to have some fun : p
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I can't deal with the krack of the OC thread, but I love the chat :3
True Cadians are born, not made

But do stop hanging around there It's giving you ....dangerous ideas
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Old 2008-03-10, 19:34   Link #2179
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So far it's 17 yes, 12 no. Looks like RH is going to get to have some fun : p

What's Magical Babysitter Lyrical Zafira about?


I can't deal with the krack of the OC thread, but I love the chat :3

Sultan Zafira!
Well the krack on the OC thread is not for everyone. I personally like the good humoured fun on it, so it's all good for me :3

In terms of the little lemon you've planned, I look forward to it, if it gets approved :3

*titters* I can imagine a highly embarrassed Nanoha if Fate, or even worse Vivio, walked in while she was doing that :3

Hmm...I wonder...what it would be like if Raising Heart took on a humanoid form....I think I even have a picture of that somewhere...
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Well the krack on the OC thread is not for everyone. I personally like the good humoured fun on it, so it's all good for me :3

In terms of the little lemon you've planned, I look forward to it, if it gets approved :3

*titters* I can imagine a highly embarrassed Nanoha if Fate, or even worse Vivio, walked in while she was doing that :3

Hmm...I wonder...what it would be like if Raising Heart took on a humanoid form....I think I even have a picture of that somewhere...
I couldn't do a humanoid one. I'm limiting myself on how many people Nanoha gets with lol Let's see....

She's slept with Fate, Hayate, Yuuno, Keroko, Raising Heart (soon).....
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