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Old 2011-07-01, 20:12   Link #32081
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Unless Vivio slips into Adult Mode. Then they'll be true twin sisters.
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Old 2011-07-01, 20:14   Link #32082
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This is all starting to wander a bit into genetics vs. nurture.
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Wait, where's the nurture part? And by the viewpoint of nurture, it's clear that Vivio is not Olivia's daughter
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Old 2011-07-01, 22:21   Link #32083
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Fate and Alicia are treated as sisters because they're connected by their mother. Vivio and Olivie have no connection other than original and clone.
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Old 2011-07-01, 22:22   Link #32084
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Once again, instead of working on my school essays, I am writing fanfic . Nothing out of the ordinary.

@yui: This should count for bribes, right? It's mostly a Hayate fic!

While this technically takes place in The Hayate and Vivio Files, it's fairly stand-alone. But if you like refreshing yourself on "Lose By Holding Back", it could provide deeper background.

Spoiler for Gut Feeling, slightly NSFW:

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EDIT: Fixed Hayate's age . This is supposed to take place right after the Mariage incident in SSX, so Vivio would be 9, and Hayate would be 22.

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Old 2011-07-01, 22:46   Link #32085
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Question: When writing Intelligent Device, Barrier Jacket, Spell Names and other variants, do you guys capitalize the first letters on each word or go all-lowercase?
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Old 2011-07-01, 23:42   Link #32086
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Question: When writing Intelligent Device, Barrier Jacket, Spell Names and other variants, do you guys capitalize the first letters on each word or go all-lowercase?
Not sure why you have the bold and such but I usually go with capitalize the first letter for stuff like that.

Gah, I've got nothing for chapter 3 of Lyrical Days. Stupid muse died on me.

This is where we meet Fate so I have maids, a giant cat, and a magical girl rival dressed in black. So...

Butler Shirou getting his ass handed to him by Fate?
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Old 2011-07-01, 23:52   Link #32087
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Sure! Accompanied by some narrative snark.

"As good as you are, you do not yet meet the qualifications of being a full time Combat Butler, Emiya Shirou."
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Old 2011-07-02, 00:24   Link #32088
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Once again, instead of working on my school essays, I am writing fanfic . Nothing out of the ordinary.

@yui: This should count for bribes, right? It's mostly a Hayate fic!

While this technically takes place in The Hayate and Vivio Files, it's fairly stand-alone. But if you like refreshing yourself on "Lose By Holding Back", it could provide deeper background.

Spoiler for Gut Feeling, slightly NSFW:

Spoiler for Author's Note:
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Old 2011-07-02, 00:27   Link #32089
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Once again, instead of working on my school essays, I am writing fanfic . Nothing out of the ordinary.

@yui: This should count for bribes, right? It's mostly a Hayate fic!

While this technically takes place in The Hayate and Vivio Files, it's fairly stand-alone. But if you like refreshing yourself on "Lose By Holding Back", it could provide deeper background.

Spoiler for Gut Feeling, slightly NSFW:

Spoiler for Author's Note:
Ahhh, a fic. Morgan always seemed too...smug, I guess you could say, right from the start, though ironically it actually seemed to be Hayate who was the cold one (which, I suppose, successfully echoes the theme you were having her say to herself). While there are hints of Morgan using her (such as asking for the recommendation), Hayate takes it in such blase and willing fashion that it almost comes rather than Morgan cozying up to her superior for fun and profit that Hayate is...well, paying for sex in the same way that a nineteenth-century "gentleman" would support his mistress with a residence, dresses, jewelry, a carriage, etc., etc. Her lack of emotional involvement in the relationship seems complete (the casual way she dismisses Morgan in the first scene to hang out with Vivio...who's 9 here, if the Mariage case referred to is SSX...and the way her greatest concern about the relationship is to keep her family from making a scene and giving her grief rather than anything about herself and Morgan directly). Truthfully, she reminds me of nothing so much as the male lead in a historical romance novel right before he meets the female lead--focused entirely on the job; relationships being superficial, all about pleasure rather than romance, and completely under control; slight wistfulness towards friends finding romance (inevitably, the couple from one of the author's earlier books)...it's pretty much textbook. Which fits completely, since this is a lead-in to Hayate's romance with Vivio (even if that won't even get started for five-plus years down the road)!

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Question: When writing Intelligent Device, Barrier Jacket, Spell Names and other variants, do you guys capitalize the first letters on each word or go all-lowercase?
I capitalize. Pretty much I'm following the example of the subtitles when I do, though. Honestly, from a grammar standpoint I can see the spell names being treated as proper names, but I think "Intelligent Device" probably shouldn't be capitalized. Nonetheless, that does seem to be the general usage in canon and fanon alike.
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Old 2011-07-02, 00:28   Link #32090
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Once again, instead of working on my school essays, I am writing fanfic . Nothing out of the ordinary.

@yui: This should count for bribes, right? It's mostly a Hayate fic!

While this technically takes place in The Hayate and Vivio Files, it's fairly stand-alone. But if you like refreshing yourself on "Lose By Holding Back", it could provide deeper background.

Spoiler for Gut Feeling, slightly NSFW:

Spoiler for Author's Note:
I now have a wiiiiiiiiiiiide goofy grin plastered over my face I like it when your plot bunny goes crazy hehehe.

When it was first mentioned that Hayate's friends seemed to frown upon her relationship with Morgan, I'd somehow assumed it was because she was superior in rank and that she might have been abusing that authority.

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"She knew how most of her friends saw her relationship with Morgan—there was no need to bring down a day’s mood in disputing over it."
Not sure why I jumped to that rather illogical conclusion because everything else (including past chapters) indicates otherwise. Maybe it was the defensive tone? In all likelihood, it's probably just because my brain's been wired to my job and I instantly consider abuses of power and fiduciary duties :S


Loved how you slipped in the lizard parts of Hayate's thinking too ;D

"From Hayate’s personal judgement of Morgan’s performance in the field…her military performance…" teeheehee

Payment accepted. Now I just need to stop working over my weekend and get drawing
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Old 2011-07-02, 00:29   Link #32091
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Capitalizing does help when you have to refer to the same words, like device, without talking about an actual Device of some sorts.
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Old 2011-07-02, 00:30   Link #32092
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Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4

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Had to split Chapter 5 into two parts because it's over the character limit. When I wake up I'll post the... remaining...
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Old 2011-07-02, 01:08   Link #32093
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Question: When writing Intelligent Device, Barrier Jacket, Spell Names and other variants, do you guys capitalize the first letters on each word or go all-lowercase?
I try to go for the second one, since they're pretty much ordinary nouns in Midchilda. Spell names definitely should be capitalized, though, since they're specific things.
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Old 2011-07-02, 01:26   Link #32094
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I try to go for the second one, since they're pretty much ordinary nouns in Midchilda. Spell names definitely should be capitalized, though, since they're specific things.
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I capitalize. Pretty much I'm following the example of the subtitles when I do, though. Honestly, from a grammar standpoint I can see the spell names being treated as proper names, but I think "Intelligent Device" probably shouldn't be capitalized. Nonetheless, that does seem to be the general usage in canon and fanon alike.
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Not sure why you have the bold and such but I usually go with capitalize the first letter for stuff like that.
I see there's a general agreement on spell names but also differences on the items. Hmm, decisions, decision...

How about intelligent-devices and barrier-jackets? And which one is better, Air Mage, air mage, or air-mage?

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Butler Shirou getting his ass handed to him by Fate?
I have been wondering, but how do you plan on getting Shirou into the action? He can't fly, and some of the clashes between Nanoha and Fate were in the form of high-speed dogfights. Ultra long-range fire support? Better get familiar with those legendary weapons fast
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Old 2011-07-02, 01:32   Link #32095
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Never really thought about using hyphens...

And yeah, that's the same problem that other Nanoha/Fate crossover encountered - how are some of the Servants gonna fight flying mages?
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Old 2011-07-02, 02:17   Link #32096
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Once again, instead of working on my school essays, I am writing fanfic . Nothing out of the ordinary.

@yui: This should count for bribes, right? It's mostly a Hayate fic!

While this technically takes place in The Hayate and Vivio Files, it's fairly stand-alone. But if you like refreshing yourself on "Lose By Holding Back", it could provide deeper background.

Spoiler for Gut Feeling, slightly NSFW:

Spoiler for Author's Note:
Interesting piece. While you made it sound like Hayate knew her priorities regarding her relantionship with Morgan, at the same time, she completely blew them off just to stroll around with Vivio on the same day. This would be the first hint that Morgan wasn't really into Hayate as she should. Or could. (and vice-versa). By the interaction between the Aces and Vivio, I take that Vivio's bombshell declaration was yet to be delivered by the time of this fic, right?

Plot bunnies are known for their unpredictability. They come, go, sleep, awaken, hibernate again, go take a walk, then come back only to go again, disappearing without notice, but, hopefully, they come back. They always should come back.
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Old 2011-07-02, 03:10   Link #32097
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Never really thought about using hyphens...

And yeah, that's the same problem that other Nanoha/Fate crossover encountered - how are some of the Servants gonna fight flying mages?
Jump good.

Seriously, some Servants wouldn't have problems against flyiers. Just look at Saber vs Rider.
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If they're Goldie or Archer they can just spam swords into the air. I also doubt Lancer would have any real problems getting into the air. And Goldie also has that flying... thing of his.
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Old 2011-07-02, 05:18   Link #32099
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Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3,
Chapter 4, Chapter 5 (Part 1)
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Let me be honest: I have never been satisfied with the last scene, so it could be subjected to changes any time. It is the hardest thing I ever wrote in my life, because I specialize in writing death from a 1st PoV.

If you ask the reason why I'm posting it here despite the dissatisfaction, it's just something I need to flush out from my system, after being trapped a whole week in hospital. Still am actually. Ugh.

Whatever changes there might be though, one fact remains. And now I eat my dinner before the nurses take them away...
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Old 2011-07-02, 06:13   Link #32100
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Jump good.

Seriously, some Servants wouldn't have problems against flyers. Just look at Saber vs Rider.
Unless they can make magical platforms while jumping, such action only makes melee users easy target since they can't even get a foothold.

Rider didn't have any ranged attack while using Bellerophon, which made her flight course very easy to predict (hint: fire when she flies straight at you).

And you people forgets one great advantage of flight: more escape options. Battle not in your favor? Fly out of enemy range and return to base, lick your wounds and reanalyze what went wrong.

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If they're Goldie or Archer they can just spam swords into the air. And Goldie also has that flying... thing of his.
Super long-range attacks it is, then. Still, what about others?

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I also doubt Lancer would have any real problems getting into the air.
Even if the enemy position themselves five kilometers above sea levels or higher? And see above on my opinion regarding jumping.

"Collision of Interests" managed to circumvent the dilemma by having the fights occurring in urban situation where the air-mages can't just rain death from above with impunity. But just how are Shirou going to contribute in, say, the fight above the ocean?

Look, it's perfectly fine if you just want to play Rule of Cool to the hilt and go "both sides charge their super awesome attacks, and BLAM!!!!" a la the crack fic Takamachi Nanoha of 2814. But the more you elaborate on the fights and the more serious the story is, considerations on the tactical advantage and disadvantage of every ability became more important, and there are things you can't do just because "b-but, they're awesome!"

Deliberately flying low and close just to give your enemy a fair fight (and a story) is very poor from a tactical standpoint. Just saying.
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