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Old 2011-09-15, 11:00   Link #2301
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Old 2011-09-16, 07:19   Link #2302
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Well, they already stopped doing that with CS2 (god, why the console version can't have Shinsou? No offense to KOTOKO fans, but each time one of her songs pop in the game, I cringe...).
At least it has Pandora Tears....lovely song that one...
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Old 2011-09-28, 00:45   Link #2303
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http://www.siliconera.com/2011/09/27...a-dlc-upgrade/

Great. We're screwed.
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Old 2011-09-28, 01:08   Link #2304
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All my rage, literally.

Honestly, at this point, I wonder if they will justify the purchase of extend with "enough" content.
That said, the whole issue with online being different looks far fetched if you ask me: unless I'm mistaken, the online feature between CS1 and CS2 console versions was changed without really much troubles, so justifying a entire different disc with that reason is ridiculous.

Now the question is: will they still update regular CS with balance patch after Extend is released?
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Old 2011-09-28, 01:10   Link #2305
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Now the question is: will they still update regular CS with balance patch after Extend is released?
I really hope they will. I really don't want to buy another disc to play against my friends.
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Old 2011-09-28, 01:12   Link #2306
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I say let the people bitch. It's really not that huge of an issue and it's normal for fighting game series to do this all the time.

I'm just glad this this confirms that I can trade in both CT and CS for Extend.~
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Old 2011-09-28, 01:16   Link #2307
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Fighting games having "upgrades" and DLC ad nauseam is to be expected, but why would all of them follow Capcom milking tactics regarding disc iteration?
Hell, even with such moves from capcom, you could upgrade SSIV into AE with a DLC, yet Arc System doesn't provide such thing for extend... I can stomach the changes between CT and CS leading to a new disc, but CS and CSE? Hardly.
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Old 2011-09-28, 01:49   Link #2308
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They are combining the CT and CS story-lines into one game for this release just so you know. Pretty convenient if you ask me.

And you're exaggerating. Extend's leap isn't a whole lot smaller than CS' was. 3 new characters, re-balancing, new modes and a new storyline for each character minus one was all we got when CS was released. If just that was worth you paying for it then this shouldn't be much different.
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Old 2011-09-28, 02:02   Link #2309
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Um... CS added, removed and changed a whole lot of system mechanics from CT.

CS2 of course was far less drastic.
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Old 2011-09-28, 02:37   Link #2310
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Um... CS added, removed and changed a whole lot of system mechanics from CT.
That's true, I forgot some fighting mechanics changed as well, but I wouldn't say it'd be something that would entice people to buy a new version of the game compared to new characters or features, especially those who don't play it for the fighting aspect. Hell I didn't even know there was a new one in CS2.


But in the end all this whining really just comes down to money. You don't have to but the game if you don't want to, nobody's forcing anybody to, but do you honestly think not buying it is gonna make ArcSys change their minds about doing this? I don't. They're partially a business so they'll use whatever methods they have of getting money out of their consumers.

I'm perfectly aware of this. Why am I willing to pay? Because ArcSys makes games I like, and it'd be a shame to see them go bankrupt.
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Old 2011-09-28, 02:58   Link #2311
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That's true, I forgot some fighting mechanics changed as well, but I wouldn't say it'd be something that would entice people to buy a new version of the game compared to new characters or features, especially those who don't play it for the fighting aspect. Hell I didn't even know there was a new one in CS2.


But in the end this really just comes down to money. You don't have to but the game if you don't want to, nobody's forcing anybody to, but do you honestly think not buying it is gonna make ArcSys change their minds about doing this? I don't. They're partially a business so they'll use whatever methods they have of getting money out of their consumers.

I'm perfectly aware of this. Why am I willing to pay? Because ArcSys makes games I like, and it'd be a shame to see them go bankrupt.
Not my point, you said CS was just new characters and rebalancing. It wasn't. The new system mechanics were why it had to be a new disc, there was no way around it and people were raging because "we're only getting 3 new characters". And you can't please everyone either way, there are tons of people out there who despise digital distribution and refuse to even get DLC.

And personally, I think CSE (or BBEX as the Japanese are abbreviating it) is just not feasible as a DLC, particularly with regards to size limits on the 360.
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Old 2011-09-28, 03:11   Link #2312
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Not my point, you said CS was just new characters and rebalancing. It wasn't. The new system mechanics were why it had to be a new disc, there was no way around it and people were raging because "we're only getting 3 new characters". And you can't please everyone either way, there are tons of people out there who despise digital distribution and refuse to even get DLC.

And personally, I think CSE (or BBEX as the Japanese are abbreviating it) is just not feasible as a DLC, particularly with regards to size limits on the 360.


I was originally going to bring up these points as well but I figured it wouldn't have made much a difference to do so. But I do agree with you.

And those last 2 paragraphs weren't directed specifically at you mate, so it doesn't matter if it wasn't your point because I wasn't replying to what you said. I was speaking generally.
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Old 2011-09-28, 04:54   Link #2313
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But in the end all this whining really just comes down to money. You don't have to but the game if you don't want to, nobody's forcing anybody to, but do you honestly think not buying it is gonna make ArcSys change their minds about doing this? I don't. They're partially a business so they'll use whatever methods they have of getting money out of their consumers.
If they stop updating the old game, I'm forced to buy the new one if I want to play against people around the world.
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Old 2011-09-28, 08:25   Link #2314
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Oh hey, so for once I made the right choice way back when I sold my Continuum Shift the moment I heard of this games existence. Not happy about it though, I don't want this to turn into Capcom, but it's the first time, so we shouldn't jump off the rails yet.
Look at it this way, they have to account for the people who didn't get the previous dlc, and it would be too complicated to do as separate dlc, it would have to be one package.
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Old 2011-09-28, 08:33   Link #2315
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How are ASW turning into Capcom when they were arguably worst than Capcom at doing this with Guilty Gear?
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Old 2011-09-28, 10:57   Link #2316
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How are ASW turning into Capcom when they were arguably worst than Capcom at doing this with Guilty Gear?
That wasn't really my point, but fair enough. Let's not have this turn into Guilty Gear then.
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Old 2011-09-28, 12:05   Link #2317
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How are ASW turning into Capcom when they were arguably worst than Capcom at doing this with Guilty Gear?
ASW doesn't release barebone games, so they're still considered "better" than Capcom imo.

Not to mention Guilty Gear was the only "main" franchise they had. So they can focus entirely on GG and release updates to perfect the game. Their updates would take from 1-2 years before their next release; not a couple of months... hell who are we kidding, within the same year.
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Old 2011-09-28, 12:07   Link #2318
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Not sure what to think about that Noel music app. On one hand, a dancing Noel could be nice to see...
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Old 2011-09-28, 12:25   Link #2319
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Let's see who's greedy, I will use points for each:

Street Fighter 4 series:
SF4: Vanilla, first game, disc
SSF4: News menus, characters from previous versions+ new ones, rebalance. requires new disc, replay channel. 4 points
SSF4AE: New characters, rebalance, (free) patch and disc, updated replay channel. 4 Points
SSF4AE2012: Rebalance, 1 point.
Total: 9 Points

Blazblue series:
CT: first game, blabla
CS: Disc, new characters (some DLC), rebalance, new menus, completely new story mode, new modes. 6 Points
CS2: Free rebalance patch, new character, new modes for PSP. 2 Points
CSEX: Disc, new character and ALL previous ones, new story modes, rebalance. 3 Points
Total: 11 Points

There you go.
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Old 2011-09-28, 14:10   Link #2320
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Didn't the SSF4>SFF4AE patch cost money? Or was it just to get the new characters?

Also, why does SSF4 only have 4 points while CS, a new game with a lot more new things, have 6 points?
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