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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 16 Rating
Perfect 10 30 20.83%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 28 19.44%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 33 22.92%
7 out of 10 : Good 19 13.19%
6 out of 10 : Average 18 12.50%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 4 2.78%
4 out of 10 : Poor 3 2.08%
3 out of 10 : Bad 3 2.08%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 1 0.69%
1 out of 10 : Painful 5 3.47%
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Old 2008-01-30, 09:20   Link #341
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WOW. it's the first time i saw the guy like Johan Trinity and his short pants!!
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Old 2008-01-30, 09:21   Link #342
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is it safe to say graham is more of an enthusiasts? than a idealist....he seems more fascinated in gundam technology and pushing the boundaries
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Old 2008-01-30, 22:44   Link #343
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Veda has no knowledge of the Thrones. At least Tieria said so, and he seems to have a direct connection to it. And Sumeragi would probably also have known, since she is always using the computer.



To me it looks more like the Trinity-Team has some sort of no-killing policy, too. Or how could you explain, that they didn't kill Ali, when they had the chance to?
I find the no-kill policy unlikely when you see 3-4 black Flags explode in front of our eyes.
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Old 2008-01-30, 22:45   Link #344
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Neena's the one with the no-kill policy. She didn't kill Ali, when she clearly could have.
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Old 2008-01-30, 22:48   Link #345
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I find the no-kill policy unlikely when you see 3-4 black Flags explode in front of our eyes.
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Neena's the one with the no-kill policy. She didn't kill Ali, when she clearly could have.
I still think the ONLY reason Ali survived, is because Exia was directly under his mobile armour. The beam rifle used was powerful enough to completely pass through the MA, so if the Throne had fired directly at Ali's MS at that angle it would have both pierced Ali AND Exia.

It would completely defeat the purpose of rescuing Exia if Exia gets destroyed in the attempt. That's one of the few drawbacks of having a powerful beam weapon.
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Old 2008-01-30, 23:14   Link #346
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They don't have a no-kill policy, clearly, and Michael is clearly bloodthursty. The thing is, for that mission at least, they did have a policy of not finishing off fleeing units. The mission was to rescue the Gundams, and that was what they did. They don't go out of their way to kill people, but they don't seem to hesitate if they have to.
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Old 2008-01-31, 01:00   Link #347
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Nena's Gundam ability reminds me of Eva
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Old 2008-01-31, 01:58   Link #348
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Nena's Gundam ability reminds me of Eva
Actually it's much much much (....much?) more like the Moonlight Butterfly if not in effect, but in the way it manifests. Not that the Eva-01's symbolic wings in any way resemble what the Gundam Drei does.

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Old 2008-01-31, 03:29   Link #349
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At first I think that Exia's armor is much more advanced, which would make it immune against those beams.
Unfounded assumption. We have no idea if Exia can survive beam shots, and we have no reason to believe that it can, apparently why Neena didn't just shoot straight through the Enact and let the Exia tank her beams.

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The second thing is: Neena wasn't forced to fire from this angle. She went completely unnoticed, so she could as well just have changed the angle to one from which she could have shot Ali without risk.
Isn't that exactly what she did? She shot the Agrissa at the best angle to destroy its main body, at the closest she dared, without harming the Exia.
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Old 2008-01-31, 03:33   Link #350
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At first I think that Exia's armor is much more advanced, which would make it immune against those beams.
The second thing is: Neena wasn't forced to fire from this angle. She went completely unnoticed, so she could as well just have changed the angle to one from which she could have shot Ali without risk.
And at last, she still had a chance after Ali left the MA. Okay, maybe he is the better pilot and she would have failed, but she didn't even try.
Still, her mission was to protect the Gundam. If she was to chase the Enact that flew away, that would leave the Exia defenseless. She wasn't even sure the pilot was still alive after being fried.

And a change in angle was difficult because this is a rescue mission. She fired upon the MA as soon as she was able, at maximum range. Things would get complicated if Setsuna get knocked out or killed, as she would have difficult in getting Exia out of the battle field. Setsuna wasn't going to last much longer.
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Old 2008-01-31, 03:35   Link #351
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At first I think that Exia's armor is much more advanced, which would make it immune against those beams.
The second thing is: Neena wasn't forced to fire from this angle. She went completely unnoticed, so she could as well just have changed the angle to one from which she could have shot Ali without risk.
And at last, she still had a chance after Ali left the MA. Okay, maybe he is the better pilot and she would have failed, but she didn't even try.
That's has to be one of the flaws here if we consider the Thrones to be fighting in a similar pattern: Spring a good one on the squadrons, take some/most of them out and save the asses of the four Gundams. We weren't even shown how and where Ali went to, just him floating away in futility.

Then again, their mission objective might merely be something along the lines of 'disabling any hostiles that are considered a threat to the safety and security of the Gundams'. Those siblings probably carried their respective missions out in their own way.
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Old 2008-01-31, 04:45   Link #352
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I still think the whole Throne thing saving them was kinda silly. Mobile suits are weapons of war, therefore all of them are forfeit in the eyes of CB idealogy. Especially considering they complained about the Meisters being too easy on people in the previous missions. It makes no sense she would merely destroy the Aggressor and leave the pilot alone.

As usual it's just a convenient story device to let the main foils of the show survive longer.
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Old 2008-01-31, 04:53   Link #353
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Nope.. its not the pilots/meisters that being saved.. it was the technology that they cant afford to lose to the 3 powers.
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Old 2008-01-31, 08:07   Link #354
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And considering that the Gundams are explicitly said to be the physical manifestation of Scheinberg's ideals, that gets them out of the "weapons that are bad" category.
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Old 2008-01-31, 10:15   Link #355
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I still think the whole Throne thing saving them was kinda silly. Mobile suits are weapons of war, therefore all of them are forfeit in the eyes of CB idealogy. Especially considering they complained about the Meisters being too easy on people in the previous missions. It makes no sense she would merely destroy the Aggressor and leave the pilot alone.

As usual it's just a convenient story device to let the main foils of the show survive longer.
You've gotta go back and pay more attention to the dialogue. The Mobile Suits are certainly not forfeir in the eyes of CB. In fact it's the exact opposite to an extreme. Securing the Exia was more important, and in order to do that she had to Ali of off of him and the Agrissa/Agressor was what was causing the electrical field, not Ali's mobile suit. Who's to say the field wouldn't have just kept going if Ali's suit had been destroyed. Of course she could have broken off and gone after him, but that would be perceived as secondary to her mission and as we've seen with the Observer's discussion, that can get you in a lot of trouble. The Throne's also seem like they have something to prove and thus that's not an option.
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Old 2008-01-31, 16:23   Link #357
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I still think the whole Throne thing saving them was kinda silly. Mobile suits are weapons of war, therefore all of them are forfeit in the eyes of CB idealogy. Especially considering they complained about the Meisters being too easy on people in the previous missions. It makes no sense she would merely destroy the Aggressor and leave the pilot alone.

As usual it's just a convenient story device to let the main foils of the show survive longer.
I understand your feelings but i personally dont think thats the case. Its quite clear that the Gundams themselves take precedence over the meisters lives. Keeping the technology out of enemy hands not the pilot. I think Thrones competed the mission they were given. Which was to save the meisters to ensure the Gundam units did not fall into enemy hands. Chasing the enemy down and obliterating them was not a mission priority. But i also wonder who is the Thrones operational support the 4 current Meisters have Sumeragi. So unless they are taking their orders directly from Vadar there must be someone else or at least some type of crew or support on then ship.
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Old 2008-01-31, 16:33   Link #358
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I understand your feelings but i personally dont think thats the case. Its quite clear that the Gundams themselves take precedence over the meisters lives. Keeping the technology out of enemy hands not the pilot. I think Thrones competed the mission they were given. Which was to save the meisters to ensure the Gundam units did not fall into enemy hands. Chasing the enemy down and obliterating them was not a mission priority. But i also wonder who is the Thrones operational support the 4 current Meisters have Sumeragi. So unless they are taking their orders directly from Vadar there must be someone else or at least some type of crew or support on then ship.
From what it looks like, it seems to be Johann himself. Just consider Sumeragi piloting a gundam.
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Old 2008-02-01, 05:18   Link #360
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Alejandro seems a bit shady and I have a feeling that kid with green hair he hangs around with could be some designer super soldier type kid and may get his own giant robot later on.

Like the neon hair and the weird clothers kind of don't kind of give that away already.
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