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Old 2009-09-01, 13:45   Link #181
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Who bets those companies are owned by the same people who own ADV?

It seems that they're just transferring each piece of the business to a bunch of smaller LLCs they started themselves.
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Old 2009-09-01, 13:56   Link #182
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Funny thing is I cannot connect to ADV.com directly but without problem via an US proxy. Accident or region block from hell?
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Old 2009-09-01, 13:58   Link #183
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Funny thing is I cannot connect to ADV.com directly but without problem via an US proxy. Accident or region block from hell?
The same thing happens to me. Cannot think why...
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Old 2009-09-01, 14:14   Link #184
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ADV officially the worse dvd's i've ever bought, never before have i felt so ripped off when all i get is a broken plastic case with loose cds. Thanks for nothing ADV.

On another note it is sad to see them go.
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Old 2009-09-01, 14:45   Link #185
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WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!?

First Geneon, then Central Park Media, and NOW FLIPPING ADV TOO?!? Noooooooooooooooo!!! Curse this stupid durned economy for making two of my favorite anime companies die!!!
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Old 2009-09-01, 15:05   Link #186
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This is rather unsettling...

Geneon going down was something like a heartbreak to me, actually not quite that bad but gave me a shock. They licensed some brilliant titles like Haibane Renmei.

Now ADV is folding, which had a strong presence in the titles that were released in the UK... Not that they're subs and manga were particularly good but they did pack in some very good extras (Excel Saga) and decent dubs.

I hope it doesn't end up as a Funimation monopoly, where all we get is Dragonball, Harem shows, and other titles I couldn't care less about...
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Old 2009-09-01, 15:22   Link #187
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WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!?

First Geneon, then Central Park Media, and NOW FLIPPING ADV TOO?!? Noooooooooooooooo!!! Curse this stupid durned economy for making two of my favorite anime companies die!!!
Has nothing to do with the economy. Geneon, ADV, and CPM were in trouble long before the recession. Crappy DVD sales (fansubs, buyers dropping out of the market over time without being replaced by new customers) and over-extension would be the main causes.

Bandai's also in trouble........no one knows what's going to happen there.
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Old 2009-09-01, 16:06   Link #188
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Has nothing to do with the economy. Geneon, ADV, and CPM were in trouble long before the recession. Crappy DVD sales (fansubs, buyers dropping out of the market over time without being replaced by new customers) and over-extension would be the main causes.

Bandai's also in trouble........no one knows what's going to happen there.
I'm not surprised. Anime is a niche. You can't show anything on Television nowadays. If it wasn't for theaters or premium services like HBO, Showtime, Hollywood would probably be in trouble too.

The niche nature of anime. like most anime and Hollywood film doesn't lend itself to TV broadcast. With government regulation of airwaves in America and Europe, and some of Japan, you can only broadcast politically correct sitcoms and soap operas to try to reach the largest audience without offending anyone with the lowest production cost possible.
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Old 2009-09-01, 17:03   Link #189
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Not suprised considering all their recent financial troubles. I knew this day would come when they started licensing crap titles in mass several years ago. How they thought licensing a lot of marginal titles to flood the market was a good idea I'll never know. Well I'll always remember them as the company that made it possible for me to buy Nadesico on R1 dvds, and the company that first introduced me to Aria through their manga release.
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Old 2009-09-01, 17:05   Link #190
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Now. can somebody who has actually some insight into the industry explain how dead ADV really is? More concrete: how many currently US-licenced titles do you except to become abandon-ware, and will the successors continue to license titles for the US market?
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Old 2009-09-01, 17:09   Link #191
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Has nothing to do with the economy. Geneon, ADV, and CPM were in trouble long before the recession. Crappy DVD sales (fansubs, buyers dropping out of the market over time without being replaced by new customers) and over-extension would be the main causes.

Bandai's also in trouble........no one knows what's going to happen there.
In ADV's case, I'd say over-extension is a huge reason they went under.

The sheer number of ADV's failed side projects is staggering. The toy line, the music line, the Eva Live Action project, the manga the came and went at irregular intervals... ADV spent an enormous amount of money on projects thet were badly mismanaged (former staff members of PiQ will attest to that).

This is yet another case of why you don't let fans run the company (I forget who said it, I think it was one of the Gundam directors). And this is probably why Funi is the last company standing.
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Old 2009-09-01, 17:45   Link #192
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Now. can somebody who has actually some insight into the industry explain how dead ADV really is? More concrete: how many currently US-licenced titles do you except to become abandon-ware, and will the successors continue to license titles for the US market?
Panicking is not good. Just got to wait for more info imo.

ADV got broken up legally into different entities prob to forestall death from debts and allow the individual units to become stronger imo.

ADV Films became Section 23 and continues on without Ledford.
Sentai is a partnership and continues on.
Switchblade is a partnership and continues on.
Valkyrie has the Anime Network which continues on
Seraphim has Amusement Park Media which continues on.

Also you have now...
AEsir Holdings LLC
AEsir Media Group which is owned by Ledford

It's just the "ADV" brand label that died imo.

See AnimeonDVD forum (mania.com) for the trail or go to ANN which also has it.
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Old 2009-09-01, 17:48   Link #193
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I had a feeling this was going to happen. ;-;
So... I'm guessing my subscription to Anime Network's gone as well?

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Bandai's also in trouble........no one knows what's going to happen there.
Are you serious????
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Old 2009-09-01, 17:56   Link #194
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I had a feeling this was going to happen. ;-;
So... I'm guessing my subscription to Anime Network's gone as well?
Anime Network operates separately from ADV Films. You really should go to ANN and read the article and go to AnimeonDVD and read the forum thread.
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Old 2009-09-01, 17:59   Link #195
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Now. can somebody who has actually some insight into the industry explain how dead ADV really is? More concrete: how many currently US-licenced titles do you except to become abandon-ware, and will the successors continue to license titles for the US market?
I think it's much too early to know the answers to these questions. As orion notes, what appears to have happened is that ADV itself is dissolved, but its assets have been transferred to a number of smaller units, most of which include former ADV execs are shareholders or interested parties. I imagine we could see the shedding of some of ADV's least-profitable licenses, but I doubt that all its titles will suddenly disappear from the marketplace en masse.

This whole process looks to me more like legal machinations designed to avoid forced asset transfers that would result from an actual bankruptcy, in particular either a direct transfer of some of ADV's assets to creditors and lienholders, or the need to liquidate the assets at fire-sale prices to pay off the creditors. Dissolving ADV might also enable the partners to renounce some of their licensing contracts for those least-profitable properties.

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Old 2009-09-01, 18:05   Link #196
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Actually, all ADV licenses were transferred to Section 23.
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Old 2009-09-01, 18:16   Link #197
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Anime Network operates separately from ADV Films. You really should go to ANN and read the article and go to AnimeonDVD and read the forum thread.
Oh thanks and sorry about that. I didn't read the whole article. ^^;
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Old 2009-09-01, 19:01   Link #198
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Here's a summary explanation.
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Old 2009-09-01, 19:21   Link #199
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To be honest, I foresee myself and many others calling Sentai "ADV" for quite some time. Even though it legally "isn't" ADV.

My Clannad After Story R1's are on preorder and all is right with the world.
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Old 2009-09-01, 22:27   Link #200
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Panicking is not good. Just got to wait for more info imo.

ADV got broken up legally into different entities prob to forestall death from debts and allow the individual units to become stronger imo.

ADV Films became Section 23 and continues on without Ledford.
Sentai is a partnership and continues on.
Switchblade is a partnership and continues on.
Valkyrie has the Anime Network which continues on
Seraphim has Amusement Park Media which continues on.

Also you have now...
AEsir Holdings LLC
AEsir Media Group which is owned by Ledford

It's just the "ADV" brand label that died imo.

See AnimeonDVD forum (mania.com) for the trail or go to ANN which also has it.
Requoted for truth...

but I'll also have to add that out of the various companies, ADV worked very hard to be one of the worst companies I've ever encountered when it came to customer relations. From their unreliable website to their lack of response, lack of coherent news releases, to unexplained title drops. Outside of producing Azumanga Daioh (their flagship), the rest of their boats seemed to set sail already on fire. Talk about driving away your customers... :P

Hopefully these smaller units won't make the same mistakes. Most of their competition seems to have taken some notes...
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