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View Poll Results: Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 17 Rating
Perfect 10 7 10.61%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 10 15.15%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 25 37.88%
7 out of 10 : Good 15 22.73%
6 out of 10 : Average 7 10.61%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 2 3.03%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2008-02-07, 07:05   Link #1
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Old 2008-02-07, 07:56   Link #2
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First post. I cant wait to see what happens in this episode *_*.


Hopefully we will have something action-related by the end of the episode.
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Old 2008-02-07, 08:08   Link #3
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I expect another cooldown/foreshadowing episode. We'll probably see how everyone is choosing their own path. The episode will probably focus on Satou and Tanake's friendship and Yoshida's feelings. I guess we'll get to see some training from Yuji with the Blutsauger as well.

But yeah, I hope that the new enemy will at least make its first appearance this episode.
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Old 2008-02-07, 13:11   Link #4
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nice drawing, nice bgm. good explanation to the last few episode... e. g. wilhelmina and pheles, as well as sabrac. and for the further development of the story. especially satisfied to the description about tanaka and ogachan, and satou. but thers is no doubt that the episode is quite boring compare with the battle scene a episode before...

yuji 's character change too much.... it must be a fragment for further event...

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Old 2008-02-07, 13:27   Link #5
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nice episode, even though animation quality is all over the place (maybe they're saving up time and money for the Sabrac fight?)

Things are looking rather good for Ogata and Tanaka now that the latter decided he can't be around Margery anymore. (I really liked how they put the Satou and Tanaka scenes in front of that random convenience store) Even if Satou ends up joining outlaw or some such and gets killed, Yoshida erases her own existence by summoning Pheles, and Shana and Yuji end up dead because of Bal Masque's plan, at least there seems to be a whole lot of hope for Ogata and Tanaka now that they're out of the Guze side of the story.

anyway, next week it looks like Yuji's training is finally going to pay off. (if the opening is any indication)


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yuji 's character change too much.... it must be a fragment for further event...
meh, he's gotten somewhat more involved with the training, but I really wouldn't call that a massive change in character.
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If this is the case of just a boring episode with Eita going out of the picture, then ChrissieXD's "Episode 17 streak" is broken.
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Old 2008-02-07, 16:37   Link #7
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If this is the case of just a boring episode with Eita going out of the picture, then ChrissieXD's "Episode 17 streak" is broken.
well, Sydonay blows up outlaw in the first few minutes.
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Old 2008-02-07, 17:38   Link #8
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I haven't figured out what exactly outlaws are

otherwise normal people who work for Flame Hazes?
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Old 2008-02-07, 18:39   Link #9
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from screenshot, yuji defeated shana in training?
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Old 2008-02-07, 19:01   Link #10
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from screenshot, yuji defeated shana in training?
no. He hit her sword into the air, at which point she roundhouse kicked him to the ground and then caught her sword as it came down.

the only real gains he made is that he's finally able to sense killing intent and he kept wanting to train even after he figured that trick out.
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Old 2008-02-07, 19:13   Link #11
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Old 2008-02-07, 19:23   Link #12
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I haven't figured out what exactly outlaws are

otherwise normal people who work for Flame Hazes?
Outlaw is a place for Flame Haze to gather information. It's not a person.
Flame Hazes are there too, along with normal people.

The small amount of spoiler tags in this thread is oddly small.

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I seem to recall everyone hating the dense idiot part earlier in the season. >_>
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I seem to recall everyone hating the dense idiot part earlier in the season. >_>
Yeah, pretty much everyone hated him.
I didn't really like it, but, well... it was amusing in its own way.
The thing is... I couldn't help but think about dense Yuji when Yuji started talking this episode... I thought his voice completely changed for a moment.
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looks like they have scrapped a lot of novel materials, so we may be getting a original ending,
which is good.
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looks like they have scrapped a lot of novel materials, so we may be getting a original ending,
which is good.
Really?!
Can you point out how the anime differs from the novel this episode?
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looks like they have scrapped a lot of novel materials, so we may be getting a original ending,
which is good.
Needless to say, I will have to agree. We're at the point where it would be impossible to go through the novels at a considerable pace given the episodes we have left. Not to blame it on the earlier Fumina episodes, but from the looks of it, J.C. Staff may be trying to keep options open for a Shana III, which may be a 12-ep or 24-ep run depending on how the novels go. In order to keep options open, but not leave a season on a darned cliffhanger, an original ending would seriously be needed.

All I want from this season now is that damn kiss already. Or at least come close and have Wilhelmina interrupt like the overprotective mother she is.
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Old 2008-02-08, 04:43   Link #18
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I just have to say it... Tanaka is one lucky bastard...

I don't know about everyone else, but I always enjoy seeing Yuuji in training.
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Old 2008-02-08, 07:56   Link #19
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I liked the episode quite a bit

The training part was cool (Yuji didn't see that kick coming XD) and I loved the emotional moments between Tanake and Ogata. It's a good decision. Leave that wretched world and be with the one you love (oga-chan =3 )

I think that we'll get an anime-only ending as well. They might finish with the sabrac fight and maybe a nice emotional yuji/shana moment. I don't think we'll get a kiss though. And I don't think that they'll solve the love triangle as well.

But it would be better for a third season to come with an anime-only ending. They'll have plenty of material to use then in the third season.
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Bad animation aside, not a bad episode actually.

Not a lot of action, but in terms of character backstory.

After missing for so long, Sydonay finally re-appears, leading his monstrous-looking subordinates in annihilating an Outlaw, killing all Flame Hazes and humans alike. This attack is taken straight off volume 8. That old geezer you see would be the leader of the Flame Hazes in that Outlaw.

Tanaka finally discovers his future lies with Oga-chan, and who can blame him for it after seeing her nearly getting killed in the Fuuzetsu? And so he and Satou part ways, with Satou seeking out work in one of the Outlaws, though it'll be at the risk of his own life.

Wilhelmina reveals she was nearly killed by this Sabrac guy, and wouldn't be standing now if Pheles and Johann hadn't saved her life.

Instead of the comic relief role in the past few weeks, Ike at last goes back to his role as a sagely observer, giving people the nudge they need, this time it's Tanaka receiving his help.

And to make up for being such a useless wimp, Yuji finally starts acting cool, and actually beating Shana in a duel for the first time. (Though Shana wouldn't admit it, and kicked him anyway with her usual tsundere response. xD )
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