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Old 2009-07-07, 20:29   Link #141
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In episode 24 Priscilla says "How is it possible your still alive. I have a firm memory of killing you before, seeing your head fly through the air. Forgiveness is out of the question, not after you defied the organization. And most defiantly not after the hell you have put me through."
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Old 2009-07-07, 20:57   Link #142
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Wow, the Priscilla who supossedly reverted to a mind of a child after figthing with Isley was able to say that?
In the anime... It's more like she's refusing to admit that she's an awakened being then confused/reverted mind. She's half way out of her reverted mind but not really there yet either...

Priscilla's memories are back but she's mixing them up, maybe because she doesn't want to admit what she is or maybe because she's not fully out of her reverted mind. Maybe both.

Her memories of Teresa tell her she is awakened but she's too sacred to admit that to herself. So she lashes out at the memory of Teresa and by doing this picks up on the Teresa inside of Clare. Clare who fights Priscilla with all she's got, for obvious reasons, only compounds the problem in Priscilla's mind. That is until towards the end of the fight when she has a good look and sniff of Clare and says "Wait a minute your an imposter, your not Teresa but you have the same sent. Now, it's time to die! [throws Clare] Well, I forgot you don't have wings. That's too bad. [shoots her wings at Clare]"

She even comments on Teresa's new symbol earlier in the fight

So Priscilla is there but not in denial.
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XD God, I hate changes in the context like that. I guess I still end up buying the rest of the DVDs out of duty to buy what is associtate with Yagi.
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Old 2009-07-08, 02:04   Link #144
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XD God, I hate changes in the context like that. I guess I still end up buying the rest of the DVDs out of duty to buy what is associtate with Yagi.
Yeah... I didn't mind the changes like Clare vs Flora or other minor changes like Teresa spotting the Bandits from a distance. However the final few episodes are just all over the place...

I'm mean I do see some ways Season 2 could be made fairly accurate but never completely accurate.

For example Miria, Deneve, Helen, and Clare could find out that all the Claymores in the makeshift hospital where attacked by the 23 awakened beings not at the Priscilla fight. Only Cynthia, Tabitha, and Yuma survived by playing dead with some Yoki suppressants. Also Isley comments that Priscilla showed much more power during his fight with her she wasn't even doing a 10th of what he sensed in her during his fight with her... he suspects Priscilla was to scared of "Teresa" to harness her full power. He suspects now that Priscilla has some more of her memories and knows Teresa is dead that she should be able to tap into more of her power (so just like Clare, Priscilla is a wild card in power terms).

Then Isley with Priscilla and 23 AB head south... 11 to the east, 12 to the west, Isley and Priscilla south. Isley beats Luciella, ect...

All survivors (aka the ghosts) stay in the north. Raki goes to Labona since he can't find enough food for a human teen (and he needs new cloths too). Clare agrees to meet him there in a specific date (she says it will take about 5-10 years for her aura to disappear, so it will be safe for them to travel together again. She'll meet Raki at the Labona Cathedral.). While waiting for this unknown date Raki meets Priscilla/Isley in the south while on a "pilgrimage" with a priest or two. Priscilla follows Raki, so Raki can't go back to Labona (out of fear of her killing the guards). He tells priests that he'll now meet Clare in his home town but might fallow the path he took with Clare since his town might not accept him back. He believes he'll be safe with Priscilla, Priests comment on how he's becoming more like Clare by being so self sacrificing as to risk himself with a Yoma who there escorts can't beat.

AF attacks Isley a year before the 7 years are up (a years worth of AF attacks at a much faster pace... should still kill Isley in time). Raki flees with Priscilla to his home town but delays arriving until the date. Clare and gang head to Labona after helping out group from Riful... once Agatha is dead. Gang splits up, Clare to find Raki (with Cynthia and Uma) and Helen plus Deneve head south for same reason as in the manga.

I think that kinda works out... what you all think? I mean Clare will now know Raki is with Priscilla but beyond that it's should still work.
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They have to redo the war in the north episodes, IMO. Maybe an OVA or something.
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In episode 22, they changed the footage of Flora's corpse rigth before Clare says she is gonna kill Rigardo.
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they should definetly redo the whole northern war stuff , although if they ever do get at it, it would rather be worth it to restart it with an OAV from scrap. And they should get started on the OAV before the manga is finished, so that by the time the manga does end, there is sth. cool for us to watch - however, they shouldn't work on it too quickly, least soemthing like with those embarassing final episodes happens again.

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they should definetly redo the whole northern war stuff , although if they ever do get at it, it would rather be worth it to restart it with an OAV from scrap. And they should get started on the OAV before the manga is finished, so that by the time the manga does end, there is sth. cool for us to watch - however, they shouldn't work on it too quickly, least something like with those embarrassing final episodes happens again.

I agree with you that eventually it might be worth it to re-do the anime. Especially considering how the Ghosts survive the suicidal mission at Pieta. It's very gripping stuff, and actually better if they follow the manga closely. The one issue I had with the anime was the animation itself. Too often it was shown in simplistic motions with little change. If you wanted to do an anime motions' correctly, I suggest looking at bleach episode 226 part 3. Both the movement and detail of Ichigo and Ulquiorra fighting was superb. If the new claymore anime could match that level, it'd be outstanding.

Oh, and one more thing, someone, for mercy's sake, give claymore a better soundtrack! It needs something epic-sounding, not techno sounding!

Here, take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPD5eIH86J8

Now that's how claymore is supposed to sound...epic, tragic and classic(al)! Of course you'd have to write some new music for parts, but I think classical music especially fits in with the tragic nature of Claymore.
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Old 2009-07-12, 12:28   Link #149
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That level? Claymore had way better animations then that episode alone. All the on going series look like crap, only the seasonal series look outstanding.
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That level? Claymore had way better animations then that episode alone. All the on going series look like crap, only the seasonal series look outstanding.
In later episodes on occasion, yes, but not in ordinary episodes like much of episode 12. Honestly, when you see Claire walk around in that episode, something feels very lacking. Just watch the moment when she "takes off" with Raki or runs with him tucked underneath her bosom while getting away from Ophelia to see what I mean. I am not and never will be a believer in the non-moving legs/flying schtick. Until the animators do a better job (I'm thinking of episode 6 being a better animation example) on all episodes, I stand by my comments. Bleach can very often suck, but at times its animation is very dynamic, which I feel Claymore needed more of.

My major complaint about Claymore was that objects were not dynamic enough and thus made it harder to believe. Just a few more breaths or a few ordinary winks at times would do much to improve Claymore. Also, though I like Claymore dark, I feel they could've done the series a favor by introducing some starker color contrasts to some episodes.
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In later episodes on occasion, yes, but not in ordinary episodes like much of episode 12. Honestly, when you see Claire walk around in that episode, something feels very lacking. Just watch the moment when she "takes off" with Raki or runs with him tucked underneath her bosom while getting away from Ophelia to see what I mean. I am not and never will be a believer in the non-moving legs/flying schtick. Until the animators do a better job (I'm thinking of episode 6 being a better animation example) on all episodes, I stand by my comments. Bleach can very often suck, but at times its animation is very dynamic, which I feel Claymore needed more of.

My major complaint about Claymore was that objects were not dynamic enough and thus made it harder to believe. Just a few more breaths or a few ordinary winks at times would do much to improve Claymore. Also, though I like Claymore dark, I feel they could've done the series a favor by introducing some starker color contrasts to some episodes.
The way the characters looked in episode 12 was probably the worst of all the episodes. Clare and Ophelia's faces were just drawn really poorly and sloppily and there was a lack of consistency with how they were drawn. Episode 13 was far better in this regard as the character designs looked more consistent with those in earlier episodes of the season.
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The way the characters looked in episode 12 was probably the worst of all the episodes. Clare and Ophelia's faces were just drawn really poorly and sloppily and there was a lack of consistency with how they were drawn. Episode 13 was far better in this regard as the character designs looked more consistent with those in earlier episodes of the season.
That may be, but for an anime to be truly great it needs to maintain a level of consistency across its entire run. Claymore unfortunately fell victim to animators' laziness, and its quality was hurt as a result. Worse still, in my opinion, was the background music on a few occasions. To me it was too simplistic, and mostly, too techno!

What Claymore most needs is some dramatic, dark, romantic-era classical music with a melody that fits the scene of course. Ah, found a piece by Chopin that fits Claymore better and would be closer to what I want: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmWLyp_o7S4
Still not perfect though...

Here's Mozart's Requiem - perfect fit for the Alicia v. 11 awakened beings scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkT0...eature=related

Think of it like a Godfather background music as something terrible happens on screen. Especially from 2:10 on...now that's what I'm talking about!
See, like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPD5eIH86J8

Now then, as for how I'd end the final Claymore anime fight scene, nothing beats the "Flight of the Valkyries". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz3Cc...eature=related
-Now that's how you do a battle scene with classical music baby!

Just imagine a crazy battle, but instead of helicopters you have dozens of Claymores, Abyss Feeders and terrified Org handlers getting taken down. Miria and crew kicking the Org's followers' asses with this in the background would be beyond awesome... (I guess Miria would be the crazed commander)
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Yeah, the music wasn't too good either. Sometimes tracks would play that really didn't fit the particular scene.
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Yeah, the music wasn't too good either. Sometimes tracks would play that really didn't fit the particular scene.
I wholeheartedly agree. Claymore like you said was generally well drawn and animated (with one notable exception), but if I had to pick any area where Claymore could improve the most, it would be in the music department.

Now, I'm not advocating we pick these pieces (though some wouldn't be bad), but as Lord of the Rings proves, having a great orchestral score really lifts a movie's emotional impact. The same is true of anime, and of video games. After all, on AIM now, you can now listen to Final Fantasy Radio (no, I'm not making that up!). Obviously Claymore would not have such high production values, but getting better music cannot possibly cost as much as better voice actors.

If there was one thing I wanted more from Claymore, it was emotional resonance from the music. At times it was good, but it was just not dynamic enough. For a drama-filled series like Claymore, having more dynamic music I think is a must for any re-do of the series.

Found something that would work great for Claire/Raki's breakup scene. Or at least it works with LotR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m9L-gpaUx8

Now that's how music is supposed to play in the background during that tearful moment between Claire/Raki. It would pack so much more punch as a scene with music like that.
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Yeah, the music wasn't too good either. Sometimes tracks would play that really didn't fit the particular scene.
The soundtrack for Claymore just wasn't right: How on earth can you make a dark medieval fantasy and having TECHNO music? How?!

Honestly; the music soundtrack was alright, at that's as far as I can say. Some tracks were okay, some were just hard to listen too.

I really like your picks Revan! That sounds like what Claymore should sound like

The first one, Funeral March, sounds just like something that should play when Teresa dies and Claire cradles her head.

Mozart's Requiem is a classic in every way: I imagine it's perfect for any big godly moment: Priscilla's awakening, Abyssal's showing their stuff etc.

Hehe, Flight of the Valkyries. I always imagine Claire riding down on a horse with a giant hammer when I hear that song, like a Norse god ,

I can see it now!

Raki and Priscilla walking down this little garden, hand-in-hand, when suddenly, thunder strikes and seven winged shadows fly down from the heavens....and Claire, in her greatest operatic voice....

"Prissy is Dauf's lard, a babyish re-tard
I'm gonna thrash her, that's what I saaaaay!
Prissy's a loser, how could you choose her!
How could DO THAT! "Friendly DAWWG!"?!

"FRIEND-LY DAWWWG!"
"FRIEND-LY DAWWWG!"

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She's gonna stun him!

Helen:
Then I can pound him!

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I"M GONNA THUMP HER RIGHT ON THE HEEAAAAD!!!


Hard coming up with lyrics right on the spot

Obviously, not as funny if you're not listening to the song while reading.

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The way the characters looked in episode 12 was probably the worst of all the episodes.
Well, and I tought I was the only one who noticed it.

BTW, anyone noticed Miria and Flora's face in episode 21 when they are discussing Yuma's arm?
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Well, and I tought I was the only one who noticed it.

BTW, anyone noticed Miria and Flora's face in episode 21 when they are discussing Yuma's arm?
No, but I'm sure the music didn't help me remember the scene either then though!
Poor Yuma...whenever she's the center of attention it's always because of an injury!

Now then, who here wants the de-technoization of any possible future Claymore anime soundtrack and wants, for a lack of a better word, the Lotr-ization of Claymore's soundtrack?

I know I do!
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It's coming out on Bluray. ^__^

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This kind of stuff is typically possible to watch both dubbed and subbed, right?

EDIT: I mean is it ever a threat with these things that you get only a dub and not the original language? I know this particular collection has both, but how about in general?

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