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Old 2008-04-30, 22:00   Link #8821
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Wasn't Mikuru trying to avoid telling Kyon the secret of why they were really digging when discussing future events since she was in on Haruhi's game? So therefore shouldn't Mitsuuru be in on whatever Haruki has planned and be keeping the reasons behind their activities from Kyoon-chan?

Would Haruki take the Hosaka route and have his White Day item ready for V-day? But as a group wth Mitsuuru and Yuuki?

Haruhi's chocolates gesture worked better because Kyon has totally forgotten what day it was. That doesn't work in reverse since it would need to be Kyon-chan that gives Haruki chocolates and Kyon-chan's mind is far, far away from V-day. Would it make sense to skip over V-day and have this episode fit around White Day instead...somehow working in Kyon-chan giving chocolates to Haruki, Mitsuuru, and Yuuki in the Prologue or a new side chapter?
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Old 2008-04-30, 22:04   Link #8822
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Wasn't Mikuru trying to avoid telling Kyon the secret of why they were really digging when discussing future events since she was in on Haruhi's game? So therefore shouldn't Mitsuuru be in on whatever Haruki has planned and be keeping the reasons behind their activities from Kyoon-chan?

Would Haruki take the Hosaka route and have his White Day item ready for V-day? But as a group wth Mitsuuru and Yuuki?

Haruhi's chocolates gesture worked better because Kyon has totally forgotten what day it was. That doesn't work in reverse since it would need to be Kyon-chan that gives Haruki chocolates and Kyon-chan's mind is far, far away from V-day. Would it make sense to skip over V-day and have this episode fit around White Day instead...somehow working in Kyon-chan giving chocolates to Haruki, Mitsuuru, and Yuuki in the Prologue or a new side chapter?
We can't mess with canon placement.
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Old 2008-04-30, 22:13   Link #8823
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Mitsuuru is now a recipient, rather than a conspirator. He has no reason to hide what happens on Valentines Day, so we could simply have another time travel self-consistent event. He tells Kyonko that's what she did for Valentines Day, therefore she must do it. For lulz have future Kyonko send the chocolates back in time with Mitsuuru, feeding them week old chocolates from the future.
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Old 2008-04-30, 22:23   Link #8824
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When thinking of Mitsuru's voice, I thought of Quatre(?) from Gundam Wing.

I still think name change is in order. Because in my mind, THIS will always be Mitsuru.

Spoiler for MITSURU-SENPAI!:
I suspect other people might like this, but now I feel dirty. Stop sullying me with unattractive women!

This all goes to show that I am broken.
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Old 2008-04-30, 22:23   Link #8825
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I still don't think we should remove it from our rewrites.
You don't have to, and I'm not even sure how I implied that. I'm merely saying that Haruhi created that rule as an excuse to get Kyon to pay for them, which is supported by the fact that the entire brigade(with the exception of Kyon, as he made sure to arrive earlier than anyone else could have) showed up at the meeting place in a group in Volume 9.

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That doesn't seem to quite work. Japan has developed it's own well established rules of valentines day. Girls give guys chocolate on V-day, and guys return the favor on white day.
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I heartily agree with what's written here. The rules of V day is so entrenched in Japan and Korea that it's unlikely that even Haruki will try to change it.
That "idea" was mainly an attempt to save face after a bit of a blunder on my part... which ironically backfired, as I ended up making things worse for myself.

... Maybe I should just start removing parts of my messages I think are errors when I edit instead of trying to "correct" them with an addition...

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So why not Itsuko have everything set up? She's part of the Organization and they'd know how important it is for Haruki's state of mind that he receive a chocolate from Kyonko.

The treasure-digging, instead of being an excuse to give chocolate, can just be an excuse to spend the day together.
Or, it could be a way to keep his mind from going completely haywire over whether or not he'd actually get anything. Also, thanks for the (possibly unintentional) save there.
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... well at least it's consistent...
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Old 2008-04-30, 22:39   Link #8826
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It was intentional, but after those last few posts I see now that this problem is not that easily solved.
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Old 2008-04-30, 22:47   Link #8827
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That "idea" was mainly an attempt to save face after a bit of a blunder on my part... which ironically backfired, as I ended up making things worse for myself.

... Maybe I should just start removing parts of my messages I think are errors when I edit instead of trying to "correct" them with an addition...
It was done in good intentions I'm assuming? But yeah, I think some of us is underestimating just how some things are entrenched in the Oriental culture. Believe me, trying to change those is like trying to bring the sky down.
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Old 2008-04-30, 23:14   Link #8828
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Believe me, trying to change those is like trying to bring the sky down.
... amusingly, that sounds like something either Suzumiya would claim to actually wish to attempt... key word being "claim," otherwise the sky really would fall.
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... well at least it's consistent...
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Old 2008-04-30, 23:57   Link #8829
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Believe me, trying to change those is like trying to bring the sky down.
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... amusingly, that sounds like something either Suzumiya would claim to actually wish to attempt... key word being "claim," otherwise the sky really would fall.
Yeah, I read that and thought "Wait, have you forgotten who we are talking about? Do you need me to repeat it another 15,498 times?"
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Old 2008-04-30, 23:59   Link #8830
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Bah. It was just a bad comparison. lol
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Old 2008-05-01, 00:24   Link #8831
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Yeah, I read that and thought "Wait, have you forgotten who we are talking about? Do you need me to repeat it another 15,498 times?"
It it it it it it it it it it it it it it it it it it it it it it it... sorry, I couldn't resist that one
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... well at least it's consistent...
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Old 2008-05-01, 00:26   Link #8832
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Old 2008-05-01, 00:28   Link #8833
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Wait, they haven't gotten you a Kyonko version of that yet? Bad minions.

(And just what is that icon of yours anyway?)
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Old 2008-05-01, 00:30   Link #8834
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Wait, they haven't gotten you a Kyonko version of that yet? Bad minions.
Yeah... frickin' slackers.

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(And just what is that icon of yours anyway?)
Shinigami-sama/Teh Grim Reaper as portrayed in Soul Eater. Badass show, and also quite lulz worthy.

Also, Maka vs. Soul has many similarities to Kyonko vs Haruki in my opinion.
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Damn it... I've been playing too much Guitar Hero... I initially read that as "Grim Ripper"...
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... well at least it's consistent...
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Old 2008-05-01, 05:52   Link #8836
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*snipped kyon-sigh*
What? You assemble a group of Suzumiya fans in one area, and you DONT expect this?

And damn you, now I have another reason to watch Soul Eater.
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Old 2008-05-01, 06:18   Link #8837
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1.Haruki going ahead and doing white day on V-day still won't change the fact he didn't get any chocolate.

2.Even Haruki comprehends how pathetic it is to ask/demand for chocolate (Nobody wants to just give any to you?)

3.Greater entertainment can be derived by having Haruki fret, Kyonko be oblivious, and the organization tripping over themselves trying to figure out a solutions.

Would Itskui be blunt enough to walk up to Kyonko and order her to Make chocolate at least for everyone?



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Would it make sense to skip over V-day and have this episode fit around White Day instead...somehow working in Kyon-chan giving chocolates to Haruki, Mitsuuru, and Yuuki in the Prologue or a new side chapter?
Kyonko would need to be motivated to make chocolate for Haruki. If left to her own devices, she'd probably just buy/make it for Yuuki and Mitsuru.

Haruki usually doesn't invoke Kyonko's most sentimental personalty the way that Mitsuru and Yuuki seem to, and Haruki's constant rambling regarding love as a mental illness are hardly things that would motivate Kyonko to give Haruki chocolate.

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Old 2008-05-01, 10:44   Link #8838
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I suspect other people might like this, but now I feel dirty. Stop sullying me with unattractive women!

This all goes to show that I am broken.
To be fair, that's not the best fanart of Mitsuru by any amount.

Hotter! IT MUST BE HOTTER! The red hair, those sultry lips, those deep, chilling eyes...

(she's my favorite of the Persona 3 girls. Can ye tell? >_>)
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Old 2008-05-01, 11:19   Link #8839
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To be fair, that's not the best fanart of Mitsuru by any amount.

Hotter! IT MUST BE HOTTER! The red hair, those sultry lips, those deep, chilling eyes...

(she's my favorite of the Persona 3 girls. Can ye tell? >_>)
That melonpan...*shudder* I should get around to playing that.

Edit: Also, for red hair and eyes, I prefer Shana. ^_^
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Old 2008-05-01, 11:33   Link #8840
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I think the idea of Itsuko arranging the V-Day event does work, at least somewhat. After all, it would work with the fact that there's almost no way to make Kyonko even think of giving chocolate to anyone in her current situation. She wouldn't, but Itsuko's plot (sounds creepy...) would leave Haruki under the assumption that he did receive chocolate from Kyonko. Of course, that would be less cute than Kyonko actually giving him some, but with her personality, it is indeed a bit hard to come up with a reason for her to do it.

As for why Haruki wants to go treasure hunting in the first place... Well, Itsuko could just tell him that she knows of a legend involving a treasure buried in the location. However, she would do it in a rather obvious way; in other words, intentionally give Haruki the impression that she's not telling him the truth. And since her suggestion involves all of them going, most notably Kyonko, and Haruki has been despairing over whether or not he'll get anything, he would pretend to go along. Of course, in the end he'd just announce how he saw through the plan from the moment he heard of it, which would give Kyonko a way to realize what was really going on.

Maybe not the best idea in the world, but that's one way I can imagine being even remotely possible. However, the whole Mitsuuru part does probably mess it up a little. The only reason I can imagine for him to want to be secretive is that he too assumes that Kyonko is in the plot (and thus thinks she knows what it going on at the treasure hunt), and doesn't want to... err... ruin it for her?

Unfortunately, that's all I can think of. Hopefully it'll at least inspire someone into coming up with something better, as that might be (more than) a little too complicated.

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