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Old 2009-03-23, 02:59   Link #14141
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I don't think I said this before, but I find it kinda funny how their uniform is a tracksuit in this image.
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Old 2009-03-23, 04:05   Link #14142
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Theoretical problem with Book 4...how do we make Itsuko not a total lesbian for Kyon-chan and instead into Haruki at another school? With Haruhi and Itsuki, Itsuki is not quite written as gay for Kyon...he'd more or less written to have very little concept of personal space it seems. So him going for Haruhi doesn't seem entirely out of character, since in that version of the world, Haruhi isn't making Closed Space all the time and making him work, so he can actually like her rather than just appease her. Itsuko, as written, seems to be a raging lesbian for Kyonko (am I wrong?). How does one get around this?
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Old 2009-03-23, 06:49   Link #14143
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Well, over the weekend, I tried to rationalize, some of the ideas we had on the Organization.

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...that is amazingly epic. I've always thought some kind of back story fluff written in the form of field reports on the organization would be totally cool.
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Old 2009-03-23, 07:06   Link #14144
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Theoretical problem with Book 4...how do we make Itsuko not a total lesbian for Kyon-chan and instead into Haruki at another school? With Haruhi and Itsuki, Itsuki is not quite written as gay for Kyon...he'd more or less written to have very little concept of personal space it seems. So him going for Haruhi doesn't seem entirely out of character, since in that version of the world, Haruhi isn't making Closed Space all the time and making him work, so he can actually like her rather than just appease her. Itsuko, as written, seems to be a raging lesbian for Kyonko (am I wrong?). How does one get around this?
Itsuko is bi, or faking the lesbian to mess with Kyonko. She hasn't met Kyonko. It's hard to be lesbian for someone you don't know of. How's that?
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Old 2009-03-23, 13:43   Link #14145
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Well, over the weekend, I tried to rationalize, some of the ideas we had on the Organization.

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As the others have already mentioned, this is epic material.
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Old 2009-03-23, 14:35   Link #14146
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Itsuko, as written, seems to be a raging lesbian for Kyonko (am I wrong?). How does one get around this?
I always just figured that Itsuko was either messing with Kyonko, bi, or a little bit of a slut.

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Itsuko is bi, or faking the lesbian to mess with Kyonko. She hasn't met Kyonko. It's hard to be lesbian for someone you don't know of. How's that?
I seem to remember that at some point it was mentioned (or at least heavily implied) that Itsuki acted, uh....like Itsuki around Kyon because that was what Haruhi found entertaining, and if she didn't see some real life almost-yaoi she'd make the two totally gay for each other. My memory might be off, though.
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Old 2009-03-23, 14:50   Link #14147
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Itsuko is bi, or faking the lesbian to mess with Kyonko. She hasn't met Kyonko. It's hard to be lesbian for someone you don't know of. How's that?
Alternate explanation.

The Espers have a telepathic empathy with Suzumiya. This causes them to also have strong feelings for anyone that Suzumiya has strong feelings for. Thus when Haru(ki)hi develops feelings for Kyon(ko), Itsu(ko)ki goes gay for him/her.
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Old 2009-03-23, 17:49   Link #14148
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I prefer Roger's explanation, as most of the Koizumi "moments" happen when Suzumiya isn't even around.
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... well at least it's consistent...
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Old 2009-03-23, 20:53   Link #14149
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I prefer Roger's explanation, as most of the Koizumi "moments" happen when Suzumiya isn't even around.
Just seems to work better considering that after the "3 years ago" event, all the Espers suddenly had an intimate knowledge of who Haruhi was. It's not inconceivable that other things would cross over.
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Old 2009-03-23, 22:28   Link #14150
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Also, if Haruhi's emotions do spill over onto them, then it explains some of their enthusiasm in keeping her happy--it's not just to keep her from creating Sealed Realities/Closed Spaces, but it is for their own mental well-being as well.
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Old 2009-03-23, 23:25   Link #14151
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Theoretical problem with Book 4...how do we make Itsuko not a total lesbian for Kyon-chan and instead into Haruki at another school? With Haruhi and Itsuki, Itsuki is not quite written as gay for Kyon...he'd more or less written to have very little concept of personal space it seems. So him going for Haruhi doesn't seem entirely out of character, since in that version of the world, Haruhi isn't making Closed Space all the time and making him work, so he can actually like her rather than just appease her. Itsuko, as written, seems to be a raging lesbian for Kyonko (am I wrong?). How does one get around this?
The relationship between two girls are pure should not be seen with dirty eyes. A healthy relationship between maidens will have more skinship than boys.

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Also, if Haruhi's emotions do spill over onto them, then it explains some of their enthusiasm in keeping her happy--it's not just to keep her from creating Sealed Realities/Closed Spaces, but it is for their own mental well-being as well.
Also explains why Koizumi seems angstiest at the beginning of the series; but more relaxed and trusting of Kyon as time goes by, that later Koizumi pledges his loyalty.
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Old 2009-03-24, 00:09   Link #14152
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The relationship between two girls are pure should not be seen with dirty eyes. A healthy relationship between maidens will have more skinship than boys.
It's rather hard to have less since boys don't touch each other...

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Also explains why Koizumi seems angstiest at the beginning of the series; but more relaxed and trusting of Kyon as time goes by, that later Koizumi pledges his loyalty.
So Rambo found the Holy Grail of Wild Mass Guesses?
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At least when it comes to Koizumi...
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... well at least it's consistent...
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Old 2009-03-24, 01:35   Link #14154
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Okay. Than what about Yuuki 2.0 and Ryo.
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Old 2009-03-24, 08:27   Link #14155
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Okay. Than what about Yuuki 2.0 and Ryo.
I want yaoi.
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And here I thought you were all for the lolitas ...
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Old 2009-03-24, 12:51   Link #14157
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And here I thought you were all for the lolitas ...
Beanbags a gay lolicon pedo. He's literally more fucked up than most languages or sciences can quantify.

Like measuring evil before the advent of Nazism, which brought us the unit of evil KiloNazi.
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Beanbags a gay lolicon pedo. He's literally more fucked up than most languages or sciences can quantify.

Like measuring evil before the advent of Nazism, which brought us the unit of evil KiloNazi.
Wouldn't being gay make him a shotacon ...? =.=
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Old 2009-03-24, 14:51   Link #14159
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He has so many that there is no definate answer anymore.

But how does that work when you add Kyonko to the picture? And how is Yuuki to react different in a meaningful way (a way to pull at Kyon's heart).
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Old 2009-03-24, 15:24   Link #14160
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I'd just like to suggest, since I missed the discussion earlier, that Koizumi only acts gay to screw with Kyon's mind.

Hell, if I had a friend who was as much of a homophobe as Kyon, I'd act gay just to screw with his head too.


And Ryou is gay for Yuuki but Yuuki isn't gay for Ryou.

Alt. Yuuki acts a bit like a less UNMANLY Mitsuuru, I suppose.


Oh, and Ryou isn't camp gay, he's very MANLY about his homosexuality.
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