Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 21 Discussion / Poll

[HayashiTakara]

Kazumi is evil, she knows Yuji is interested in Shana and Shana is interested in Yuji, but she won't tell Yuji how Shana feels, She's trying to "change" his mind, but thats not happening. Yuji has his mind set, so its not a matter of who he choose, its when it'll all come out in the open. The choice to Yuji is already clear, he wants to be with Shana, period.

[Proto]

Yuji's decision is clear for us 3rd person viewers who get a glimpse of what the characters think, do and eat at all times. For a person immersed in the problem Yuji is just a person who is generally nice to everyone.

[BigGimp77]

Good episode. Although the whole Shana and Kazumi writing letters thing kind of scares me. I'd much rather have Shana confess in person.

And didn't Kazumi already put her feelings out there? I hope they send her letter to the wrong address.

This love triangle needs to end soon, I just hope they don't eff it up.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

Kazumi is evil, she knows Yuji is interested in Shana and Shana is interested in Yuji, but she won't tell Yuji how Shana feels, She's trying to "change" his mind, but thats not happening. Yuji has his mind set, so its not a matter of who he choose, its when it'll all come out in the open. The choice to Yuji is already clear, he wants to be with Shana, period.

WOW thats a pretty bold statement iv heard Kazumi be called a lot of things but EVIl are seriously saying shes evil. You might want to go back and watch season 1 and start season 2 over.

It clear for us whats going on because we are the viewer the 3rd perspective but not to anyone else in the show its self. Why would Kazumi tell Shana how Yuji feels shouldnt that be up to him?

Sigh You're reintegrating facts that have been discussed over and over but you just added evil on the end of Kazumi's name, without stating proof why she's evil I dont understand your mind set, technically you can say the same thing about Shana she knows Kazumi likes Yuji why doesnt she tell him? Two way street but not as black and white as you would have it seem. Im not even a Kazumi supporter but i understand where shes coming from.

[Eisdrache]

lol at the two panty shots of Shana -.-

OnTopic:
I really liked this episode As I dont watch previews I hope the following episodes will be as good as this one.

[HayashiTakara]

lol, um.. evil is alittle over doing it, but she's selfish, borderline obsessive. If she really did love him she would want him to be happy and telling informing both Yuji and Shana on their feelings would undoubtedly make Yuji happy. She's delaying the inevitable trying to force Yuji to change his mind.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

lol, um.. evil is alittle over doing it, but she's selfish, borderline obsessive. If she really did love him she would want him to be happy and telling informing both Yuji and Shana on their feelings would undoubtedly make Yuji happy. She's delaying the inevitable trying to force Yuji to change his mind.

Again, the same perspective can be taken with Shana shes very selfish and she is in the same position that Kazumi is in, Kazumi is not obsessive shes in love wants to do more for the person she cares about but is not sure how to go about it. Does Yuji know how Shana feels about him NO, it has only been implied. From what you are stating your saying that Kazumi should tell Shana how Yuji feels and vice versa. Why is it not the responsibility of either of the two. If you want something you get with your own 2 hands not someone elses. She does want him to be happy to the point where she would even sacrifice herself for him. She cares about his well being above her own and so does Shana that is one of essences of loving someone.

She is not forcing anyone to change their mind she letting her feelings be known and letting Yuji pick who he wants to be with its no ones elses choice (and that is her right). Yuji has not clearly made his feelings known to either of them, we only know what he feels because we are the viewers. Your making a wide range of generalization without listing all the facts or seeing each person perspective. Until Yuji says i like/love Shana he is free game for anyone who has feelings for him.

[Gotank]

Ahh good episode. And I agree with someone else's comment earlier that this really felt like the season finale of SnS second, especially with the insert music playing in the latter part of the episode, and the eventual return to harem... I really hope they have enough episodes left to make an even better conclusion.

[cnnydz]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

lol, um.. evil is alittle over doing it, but she's selfish, borderline obsessive. If she really did love him she would want him to be happy and telling informing both Yuji and Shana on their feelings would undoubtedly make Yuji happy. She's delaying the inevitable trying to force Yuji to change his mind.

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Again, the same perspective can be taken with Shana shes very selfish and she is in the same position that Kazumi is in, Kazumi is not obsessive shes in love wants to do more for the person she cares about but is not sure how to go about it. Does Yuji know how Shana feels about him NO, it has only been implied. From what you are stating your saying that Kazumi should tell Shana how Yuji feels and vice versa. Why is it not the responsibility of either of the two. If you want something you get with your own 2 hands not someone elses. She does want him to be happy to the point where she would even sacrifice herself for him. She cares about his well being above her own and so does Shana that is one of essences of loving someone.

that's why i think the novels are so much better than the anime. in the novels, during the fight with sabrac and before yuji figured out a plan

Spoiler for differences from novels:

shana said to kazumi that if she dies then kazumi should use the hougu to call for pheles and escape with yuji(she doesn't know the drawbacks of the hougu), but then kazumi said if shana dies then the hougu would become worthless and decided she need to protect shana and yuji with her life, but it was not needed in the end as sabrac's true form was discovered.

but yeah, the anime version of kazumi is really selfish and annoying.

[Guido]

An explosive conclusion to wrap up the Sabrac arc, and a nice Shana x Yuji moment at the end that marked the return....

Spoiler:

of her (in)famous urusai, urusai, urusai...

It's been a while since I last heard Shana utter her phrase in the show.

Action and destruction taken to the level of insanity. It was a wonderful how each of the present characters fulfilled their roles, and yet used a little bit of spare time to clear away their inner struggles.

Spoiler:

Honestly, the colors inside Sabrac's fuzetsu were a treat to my eyes.

I love how Carmel's crimson-pink color of her hair and eyes was greatly enhanced.

And the world of the Fuzetsu beautifully portrayed in a cold, gloomy crimson stained within frozen time.

Shana gets the hats off for her fire sword attack, which massively cinder Sabrac into a crisp, and for flashing her panties in a naughty moment before the climatic strike.

Spoiler:

I felt disappointed that we won't get to see more of Sabrac in future episodes, because his villainess of a character was of different dimension.

Though I understand why the producers wanted go all out on him duking the Flame Hazes at full power for two straight episodes.

They just did not want for this arc to be prolonged more than needed and turn into another Dragon Ball Z fest of insane power-ups and senseless destruction.

Still, it would have been for the better if they had procured Sabrac's defeat in the next episode for the first half, and then using the remainder half to properly develop the characters at the conclusion.

It's because now with Sabrac gone I'm feeling both angst and tense about the direction the remainder of the show will head to.

There is still several mysteries unexplained or not wrapped at all:
1. The mystery of the keeper inside the Reiji Maigo; 2. The Silver Tomogara still out of Margery's reach; 3. The weird plan that the Bal Masque is cooking up with the Silver and the Reiji Maigo; and 4. Pheles's Return.

I have the certainty that the Bal Masque will start to make their next move at the end of the next episode.

For now the only possibility I see fit for the animation staff to end season two in a satisfactory note is if they pull out a cliffhanger in the very last episode of season two but coming from a series of twists and unfortunate events worked up in the remaining episodes.
Like, for example, what Sunrise did for Code Geass season's one end. Leaving the main storyline in a cliffhanger during a climax point, but explicitly announcing the continuation for another season.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Malintex_Terek

Only if you rank the Flame Haze up against ridiculous Gundam SEED standards. An anti-hero has to have villainous characteristics, not something like that is usually done for the greater good.

An anti-hero would:

1. Sacrifice many people for the few.
2. Sacrifice 100 people to save 100 people.

A villain would:

3. Sacrifice people for no particular reason or a false one.

The powers of the Quincy in Bleach are something an anti-hero would have. They save humans by killing off Hollows, but they risk spiritual balance since they actually destroy the spirits, though they don't care. This is compared to the Shinigami powers which only seal spirits.

I have to agree with the Real Nemo here - I think that you're using a far too strict definition of the term 'anti-hero' here.

An awful lot of fictional heroes won't sacrifice any lives - even the lives of villains.

If someone's willing to pretty callously sacrifice even a few lives for a nebulous cause (as even Shana was in early Season 1), I can see the title "anti-hero" being justifiably applied to such a person.

[MrShin]

I love this series, I specially loved the first season. However this episode really wants me to drag this serie and put it next to DBZ/Bleach/etc.

Is this show becomming an Screaming nonstop show? This episode is somewhat pathetic. Yuji's character evolution suddently "BURSTED" into another type oc character. My verdict;
Lovely last 1-2minut ending. Thats it.

Cheers.

[Liddo-kun]

Originally Posted by Whitemoon648

Episode was awesome, But too bad his coolness Sabrac was killed. I hoped he would have ran away, but heavily at damaged at the same time. Why do they have to kill off such a Wickedly epic character so fast *_*?

Yeah, it was a bit sad that Sabrac is already killed after just 2 episodes.

Though if he would have been able to escape, I think it will be hard for them the next time he shows up because Sabrac would think of a strategy to counter their plan to defeat him.

[Gotank]

Hehe, something similar between this episode of Shana and recent Gundam episode apparently (didn't watch gundam, so I don't know, image ripped off from another thread I visited...)

Spoiler for big image:

[thelok]

The look in shana's eyes when she powered up near the end was reminiscent of dragonball z, especially with the hair all vertical

[Altima of the Gates]

Originally Posted by cnnydz

that's why i think the novels are so much better than the anime. in the novels, during the fight with sabrac and before yuji figured out a plan

Spoiler for differences from novels:

shana said to kazumi that if she dies then kazumi should use the hougu to call for pheles and escape with yuji(she doesn't know the drawbacks of the hougu), but then kazumi said if shana dies then the hougu would become worthless and decided she need to protect shana and yuji with her life, but it was not needed in the end as sabrac's true form was discovered.

but yeah, the anime version of kazumi is really selfish and annoying.

Huh? I think you can say she is a lottle bit obsessive, but shes been a good friend to both of them so I fail to see where you got selfish from.

Anyway, I loved the episode, my friend who sat next me watching these past 2 episodes is a Wilhelmina fan, so both he and I were loving every minute of the fight. It was short, but very sweet.

[Reckoner]

I'm not a novel reader, so just stating this.

Sabrac isn't completely done because we still don't know what the unrestricted spell he put on the Reji Maigo is. We'll see though.

[feRfe]

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so yeah it was pretty funny how alastor was quick to change his stance on shana and yuuji hooking up when yuuji figured out a plan to defeat sabrac

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[HayashiTakara]

We already know, the seal was what implanted the Silver into the R. Meigo.

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

We already know, the seal was what implanted the Silver into the R. Meigo.

Bzzt Wrong.... It hasn't been revealed yet