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Old 2009-06-16, 05:45   Link #681
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Just a reminder for everyone - I love ZKC as much as the next fan but for anyone interested in finding out what happens next you'll have to find the manga chapters somewhere other than here. Try Google.

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Old 2009-06-16, 07:00   Link #682
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Sorry for the hint >.<"
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Old 2009-06-16, 13:48   Link #683
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Old 2009-06-16, 13:56   Link #684
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I hope that at least that they're going to air second season (please let it happens !) after they finished with the manga or at least finished at the middle school arc.
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Old 2009-06-19, 04:37   Link #685
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Too bad there's so much more to tell and chapters to draw before another animated serie could be produced Given they produced only 40 chapters in a year and the first serie spend 140 worth chapters of material, we will have enough chapters to convert in 2 years from now

We can only guess future development of this amusing serie right now. So what do you guess about the main breakpoints of the show?
Will The Children really turn sides? Will the war begin? And furthermore, will Kaoru realy die? Well i really don't think so, something will happen right before or after the foretold shot, but what? Man, i can't wait to know the truth!
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Old 2009-06-26, 08:06   Link #686
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I just recently read all the translated manga and then decided to watch the anime.

Wow, they changed a lot. If I had watched the anime first I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have bothered finishing it (Edit: Obviously I liked it overall, or else I wouldn't have decided to watch the anime. The beginning of the anime wouldn't have hooked me though). Here are the major differences I noted that changed the atmosphere in a bad way:

A) They didn't introduce the prophecy until episode 26. That's like... the entirety of the plot, and the premise of the series as far as I could tell. The whole thing's about raising them properly, so without the prophecy telling us that it's possible and likely to raise them wrong there's no tension. Even without the specific prophecy, they could've at least shown the angel/devil probabilities earlier.

B) Giving us a tour of BABEL early on made it seem a lot smaller. While I can understand the desire to introduce important characters, the way they did it implied that that's all they've got. The manga left it open that there might be more teams that we just haven't seen yet. Also, because the anime liked to make the other teams more important and stick them into missions as support, it makes BABEL seem a lot less busy. Overall, the organization feels a lot smaller and less powerful, despite the fancier building. More like a club than an army.

C) Censorship. While I understand that we don't need exploding heads or anything, little things like taking away Shiho's gun early on and aging up Kyousuke during WW2 (in the manga, he was about the same age as the Children back then) undermined the implication that these are child soldiers being put on the front lines, which makes Minamoto's desire to protect them from danger sometimes seem like an irrational overreaction, when in the manga it was the other way around. The Kyousuke thing in particular undermines the parallels between him and Kaoru.

D) The whole transformation scene thing. While I understand it's a joke, it was greatly overused, and often creates the wrong mood. The manga does it once in a while (and lampshades it better by making it clear that it's just Aoi playing around with teleportation), but every episode is overkill. When the audience starts rolling their eyes instead of laughing, it's a failure. I applaud their restraint in not using too much stock footage for it though.

That said, I did like some of the changes though:

A) Introducing Kugutsu earlier made his betrayal more meaningful. In the manga, you didn't even know he existed until he betrayed them. They were a bit heavy-handed with it, but it was a nice touch.

B) Showing more school scenes gave more well-rounded character development. In the manga, you could often forget they went to school at all (until middle school, when it starts being more important).

C) Some of the chronological changes worked well. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, but overall they did pretty well with that, with a few exceptions (mostly the prophecy, as mentioned above).

I also found the translation to be horrendous, but I can't complain because it's better than nothing.

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Old 2009-06-26, 12:56   Link #687
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I just recently read all the translated manga and then decided to watch the anime.

Wow, they changed a lot. If I had watched the anime first I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have bothered finishing it (Edit: Obviously I liked it overall, or else I wouldn't have decided to watch the anime. The beginning of the anime wouldn't have hooked me though). Here are the major differences I noted that changed the atmosphere in a bad way:

A) They didn't introduce the prophecy until episode 26. That's like... the entirety of the plot, and the premise of the series as far as I could tell. The whole thing's about raising them properly, so without the prophecy telling us that it's possible and likely to raise them wrong there's no tension. Even without the specific prophecy, they could've at least shown the angel/devil probabilities earlier.
That's actually a typical anime and manga deployment where there's room to deploy - basically let you get to know the characters before geting onwards with the serious plot. The author himself uses that deployment in his previous long work GS Mikami (which caused the whole of the anime adaptation to be filled with silly and shallow gag stories because the serious ones hadn't been made yet...)

AFAIK, the reason why the author changed the deployment was that they weren't sure this story was going to sell - to HELP it sell, the author forced stuff that would have belonged in the middle any other day into the first book as a hook, and so the later books had to work around that. The anime is probably closer to how he really envisaged the story to develop.

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B) Giving us a tour of BABEL early on made it seem a lot smaller. While I can understand the desire to introduce important characters, the way they did it implied that that's all they've got. The manga left it open that there might be more teams that we just haven't seen yet. Also, because the anime liked to make the other teams more important and stick them into missions as support, it makes BABEL seem a lot less busy. Overall, the organization feels a lot smaller and less powerful, despite the fancier building. More like a club than an army.
This kind of thing is typical when animating - get rid of the parts that really aren't important, and let the guys that are important enough to draw in into the show more frequently.

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C) Censorship. While I understand that we don't need exploding heads or anything, little things like taking away Shiho's gun early on and aging up Kyousuke during WW2 (in the manga, he was about the same age as the Children back then) undermined the implication that these are child soldiers being put on the front lines, which makes Minamoto's desire to protect them from danger sometimes seem like an irrational overreaction, when in the manga it was the other way around. The Kyousuke thing in particular undermines the parallels between him and Kaoru.
Kyousuke started young, but in the manga he was definitely teenage by the time the war started, so there isn't that big a change on that point.

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D) The whole transformation scene thing. While I understand it's a joke, it was greatly overused, and often creates the wrong mood. The manga does it once in a while (and lampshades it better by making it clear that it's just Aoi playing around with teleportation), but every episode is overkill. When the audience starts rolling their eyes instead of laughing, it's a failure. I applaud their restraint in not using too much stock footage for it though.
At least they made up something new each time. I also didn't exactly love those new vehicles and the whole attempt to make Babel more high tech.
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Old 2009-06-26, 15:32   Link #688
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They made it pretty clear in the anime as well that it's Aoi who does the "transformation" scene. She even does it when she's alone.
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Old 2009-06-26, 19:11   Link #689
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They made it pretty clear in the anime as well that it's Aoi who does the "transformation" scene. She even does it when she's alone.
The key word was "playing around." As in, Minamoto scolds them for not taking the mission seriously. In the anime, it's more like he's in on it with the crazy release pose. The point being that there's no need for them to transform to use their powers and it's a waste of time. As I said, it works as a joke every so often (and it's within their character to act like that), but when it's every episode it both loses its humor and changes the mood (why does everyone tolerate them doing it all the time?).

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That's actually a typical anime and manga deployment where there's room to deploy - basically let you get to know the characters before geting onwards with the serious plot. The author himself uses that deployment in his previous long work GS Mikami (which caused the whole of the anime adaptation to be filled with silly and shallow gag stories because the serious ones hadn't been made yet...)

AFAIK, the reason why the author changed the deployment was that they weren't sure this story was going to sell - to HELP it sell, the author forced stuff that would have belonged in the middle any other day into the first book as a hook, and so the later books had to work around that. The anime is probably closer to how he really envisaged the story to develop.
That's plausible, but it doesn't mean I'd like it any better. I like story hooks. Just giving my honest opinion.

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This kind of thing is typical when animating - get rid of the parts that really aren't important, and let the guys that are important enough to draw in into the show more frequently.
They didn't get rid of the parts that weren't important, they added them. The whole command center crew for example. As for adding the side characters into more scenes, I know why they did it, I'm just saying the overall effect made BABEL seem smaller. Also, sometimes nonsensical. For example, Double Face is supposed to be the first line of security because of their powers. Dragging them out to help the Children all the time means you're leaving BABEL open for infiltration (not that it's hard in the anime given the filler half-episode where Mio and Muscle inexplicably get in with 0 trouble) . In the manga, they mentioned that they had another crew of trainees ready to be the esper receptionists that allowed them to go out on missions later on, but by leaving out those kind of details they both make BABEL seem smaller and less busy/important.

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Kyousuke started young, but in the manga he was definitely teenage by the time the war started, so there isn't that big a change on that point.
They changed him from at most 13-14 into someone who looked like an adult (maybe 16-18?). That's a pretty big difference when your theme is adults taking advantage of child espers.

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At least they made up something new each time. I also didn't exactly love those new vehicles and the whole attempt to make Babel more high tech.
Yeah, I applauded their restraint for stock footage. I didn't mind the vehicles so much as the fact that they had so few of them (again with the smallness).

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Old 2009-06-26, 21:49   Link #690
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I myself don't really mind all the transformation scenes.

In fact, props to them for coming up with the script for all 51 episodes of transformation.
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Old 2009-06-27, 16:59   Link #691
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They didn't get rid of the parts that weren't important, they added them. The whole command center crew for example. As for adding the side characters into more scenes, I know why they did it, I'm just saying the overall effect made BABEL seem smaller. Also, sometimes nonsensical. For example, Double Face is supposed to be the first line of security because of their powers. Dragging them out to help the Children all the time means you're leaving BABEL open for infiltration (not that it's hard in the anime given the filler half-episode where Mio and Muscle inexplicably get in with 0 trouble) . In the manga, they mentioned that they had another crew of trainees ready to be the esper receptionists that allowed them to go out on missions later on, but by leaving out those kind of details they both make BABEL seem smaller and less busy/important.
Leaving aside the question of how good (or bad) their security is, Double Face can't be the only security of Babel. After all, they've got to eat sometimes. I took their job to be, well, receptionists. Not actual security.
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Old 2009-06-27, 17:14   Link #692
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the only issue I have with this show is that they actually don't have any real enemies that can be of any danger to them. Pandra even with all the powerful Espers is not of any real danger to them as they won't cause them any harm. Minamoto who is the only one that can cause Pandra plans to go wrong is also untouchable as if anything happen to him it will destroy the prophecy.
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Old 2009-06-27, 17:29   Link #693
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but when it's every episode it both loses its humor and changes the mood (why does everyone tolerate them doing it all the time?).
It IS in the "kids show" time slot after all. Its then same as having transformations in Sailor Moon use up half the episode time. Just not as bad...
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Old 2009-07-03, 07:33   Link #694
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the only issue I have with this show is that they actually don't have any real enemies that can be of any danger to them. Pandra even with all the powerful Espers is not of any real danger to them as they won't cause them any harm. Minamoto who is the only one that can cause Pandra plans to go wrong is also untouchable as if anything happen to him it will destroy the prophecy.
The real enemy should be Black Phantom. They/he will also be the true starter of the future war between espers and normals.
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Old 2009-07-03, 19:05   Link #695
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Old 2009-08-05, 00:13   Link #696
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Loved the anime. God, I read the whole manga in 2 days.

Anyone knows if there will be a second season?

By the way is there a manga thread of this anime?
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Old 2009-12-25, 03:24   Link #697
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With the release of manga chapter 200, we get absolutely lovely news. Zettai Karen Children will get an OAV series!
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Old 2009-12-25, 08:30   Link #698
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As long as Kawaguchi is still directing (and even if he isn't I'd watch anyway, but it's what I'd prefer), excellent.
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Old 2009-12-25, 12:23   Link #699
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With the release of manga chapter 200, we get absolutely lovely news. Zettai Karen Children will get an OAV series!
Hopefully with most of the same staff as the TV.
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Old 2009-12-25, 15:59   Link #700
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w00t. That's a new for me. Great. I would have preferred a full fledged second season, seeing as how the story is still going strong and all, but these are great news anyway.
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