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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 23 Rating
Perfect 10 234 73.35%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 67 21.00%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 9 2.82%
7 out of 10 : Good 4 1.25%
6 out of 10 : Average 2 0.63%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 1 0.31%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 2 0.63%
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Old 2008-03-16, 15:58   Link #481
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As much as I agree with you about Lockon, bringin him back alive is not the right thing to do. His death for the most part is going to heavily affect all of the Miesters, including Setsuna who for the most part, seemed to be the closest to Lockon, or both of them had the best relationship with each other.

In any case, that was a Hero's way of going out, and Lockon wont soon be forgotten.

At this point, killing Ali is not doing justice to what he's done, and letting him walk away is just a slap in the face. He broke my heart that's for sure...
I agree, but they're probably gonna set up the whole Setsuna vs. Ali big fight. It'll be OK, but Lockon killing Ali would've been better.
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Old 2008-03-16, 16:14   Link #482
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Lockon dead... and Graham now have no opponent. Who will be his next personal enemy?
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Old 2008-03-16, 16:20   Link #483
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What really does surprise me is how heasily Darryl goes along with Ali and his Throne, let's not forget that Zwies(I think) was the one that took down Howard, and that Ali is a suspicious character, as I am sure Sergie will note in future episodes, considering he wouldn't divulge the information as to how he got it.

Looks like the name of Lockon's brother is Lyle.

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I agree, but they're probably gonna set up the whole Setsuna vs. Ali big fight. It'll be OK, but Lockon killing Ali would've been better.
I'm torn between this; it would have been a good death, but in the end it wouldn't have been enough. Ali is the kind of character whom you wanna drag their face through the mud, kick him while he's down, shoot his thighs and punch his face until it is soo disfigured that it no longer looks like him.

What ever the case was, Lockon proved a lot, and for the most I think he wanted to die.
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Old 2008-03-16, 16:24   Link #484
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Well the past few episodes certainly packs a few surprises with so many character dying.

Graham will be going up against Setsuna imo while Allelujah vs Soma.
Tieria can be the emo trap before going Nadleeh on all the grunts/Sergei.

Nadleeh reminds me a lot of Id's gear (Xenogear) and that bad guy what's his name's AS in FMP S1. I wonder how many meister will survive, and what's the role of Marina Ismail later on (the new sponsor for CB?)
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Old 2008-03-16, 16:28   Link #485
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... and in the preview of ep 24 you can see that bitchass ali is still alive :S yep i realy realy ahte ali most of all
(most anoing character in a anime for me)...
Which preview were you watching? Someone mentioned issues with Nyoron's but that's not the one I watched... He's no where to be seen on my preview. I think you may have confused GN-003 Gundam Kyrios with GNW-002 Gundam Throne Zwei.
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Old 2008-03-16, 16:39   Link #486
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the final scene where haro keep calling LOCKON enough to give this episode 9/10 for me

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Old 2008-03-16, 16:39   Link #487
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is it me or is the "destruction" of Throne Zwei ambiguous as all hell?
It's not just you. Well, Zwei was probably effectively destroyed, but Ali likely survived. He didn't get any sort of death scene at all, and as the most significant villain so far, he would definitely have something more substantial than that if he really died.

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Lockon dead... and Graham now have no opponent. Who will be his next personal enemy?
Graham's opponent will be Setsuna. Graham was always Setsuna's rival from the beginning, just as Ali was Setsuna's personal enemy. Lockon wound up borrowing Setsuna's rival and enemy since he wasn't around long enough to warrant having his own.
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Old 2008-03-16, 16:43   Link #488
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

FUCKING SHIT WHY him. Seriously ali needs to kick the bucket killed too many people that were so cool.

WHY couldnt they just let lockon be heavy injured or some crap so that he never can pilot again .

The action in this episode is simply great almost 40% combat. This ep is better then whole GSD put together. Cuz i go all emo over this WHY OH WHY

My head is like-> lockon .. lockon ..

R.I.P. LYLE you were great



lol @ neena for crying bout her bro's really cute and funny
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Old 2008-03-16, 16:44   Link #489
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What really does surprise me is how heasily Darryl goes along with Ali and his Throne, let's not forget that Zwies(I think) was the one that took down Howard, and that Ali is a suspicious character, as I am sure Sergie will note in future episodes, considering he wouldn't divulge the information as to how he got it.
Yeah, it was Zwei that took out Howard's Flag, but remembering the Zwei is still just a tool. The pilot is Ali now, not Michael. Maybe Darryl understands that it was the Gundam pilot who's responsible for his friend's death, but I can totally understand why he'd be suspicious of how that particular machine managed to fall into the hands of someone he doesn't know.
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Old 2008-03-16, 16:49   Link #490
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Isn't Lockon's "abayo, aibo" to Haro an Endless Waltz reference (Duo to Deathscythe)?
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Old 2008-03-16, 16:52   Link #491
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Oh wow...

Well, I don't see how is possible that he comes back.

Now Ali, I have 99% sure that he is coming back.
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Old 2008-03-16, 17:08   Link #492
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Isn't Lockon's "abayo, aibo" to Haro an Endless Waltz reference (Duo to Deathscythe)?
Only if every single line that's been said before is a "reference" to something else.

Somethings get said again. It doesn't mean anything deeper than what it's saying: that Lockon is saying goodbye to his AI partner.
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Old 2008-03-16, 17:36   Link #493
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Wow. Aside from all the debate over certain aspects of the ep, I think that given the paucity of backstory for Lockon, this was one of the most effective endings ever. I'm not so much stating how much he achieved, but the effect of his death on the audience (and on the meisters). It was a good death, one that won't be forgotten and I hope that the show doesnt jump the shark by bringing him back
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Old 2008-03-16, 17:38   Link #494
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5/169 people didnt vote a 9 or 10/10 for this episode.

That's how epic this episode was.
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Old 2008-03-16, 17:55   Link #495
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Somethings get said again. It doesn't mean anything deeper than what it's saying: that Lockon is saying goodbye to his AI partner.
Except that we have comparable contexts. It was a pretty memorable point in Gundam Wing.
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Old 2008-03-16, 18:11   Link #496
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Ali SHOULD be dead, but considering that my nickname for him is Cockroach-kun, I bet he's still alive. That's my only major gripe with the story so far is they keep letting Ali get away or live way longer than he should.
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Old 2008-03-16, 18:20   Link #497
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I think he's dead, at least as far as season 1 is concerned.

The next two episodes should involve big showdowns against Soma, Sergei, Patrick, Graham, and then finally Alejandro/Libbons.

Episode 25 may also introduce a new "bad guy/antagonist" for season 2. Let's not mention that Saji may get some major screentime in the next 2 episodes.

Is there enough time for him to return? I could see him showing up during the final minutes of episode 25. Setsuna goes back to his apartment and gets jumped. Ali basically blurts how he killed Saji's sister and how it felt only to have Saji blows his brains out and save Setsuna.


Any, I still think that if Ali and/or Lockon managed to survive that fight we won't know until season 2. They could return as "masked" men.
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Old 2008-03-16, 18:22   Link #498
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There have been people that have been shot in the head and lived.

Also, the Freedom Gundam never exploded. What happened was the phase shift went down after its reactor got really damaged by the Shinn-Stab (TM) and then the Freedom got wrecked by the TANHAUSER explosion. And Kira ends up in Lacus's house after the STRIKE nearly gets wrecked by the AEGIS'S self-detonation. The Strike gundam ALSO does not blow up then.

As for Lockon surviving, as I've said before, he's too manly to ever die. Captain Falcon said that he who surpasses Captain Falcon becomes Captain Falcon, but nobody has yet surpassed Lockon Stratos, so Neil Dylandy is STILL Lockon Stratos, meaning he is STILL alive.

not kira VS shinn but Kira vs athran (gundam seed) when red suit sticks to strike and says B00000M and sudenly 2 eps later kira is alive :S zomfg wtf bbq.
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Old 2008-03-16, 18:48   Link #499
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Setsuna is going to kill Ali to take revenge for the past and now with lockon added to the motivation - assuming they dont raise the dead in ep24.

Saji comepletely thinks all the crap he went through is the Gundams' fault, might turn out to be a Shinn type atmosphere if he gets screen time in season2.

I hope season2 the miesters get some skillz, cuz using "god mode" trans-am drive is not working for me.

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Old 2008-03-16, 19:02   Link #500
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I don't want to see Saji turning into a Shinn-type clone for S2. We have already witnessed the downfall of CB and it continues to go forward at such insane speed. At least we'll see who comes out alive and who will be the new antagonists in these last two episodes after this one. Lockon will probably be replaced by someone with similar skills.
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