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Old 2008-03-15, 20:33   Link #1
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Japanese ISPs to ban file-sharers

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/15...-file-sharers/

Nuff said?

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Old 2008-03-15, 20:41   Link #2
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Doubt this will do anything. Like viruses, find a way to stop them they find more ways to get around it.
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Old 2008-03-15, 21:01   Link #3
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Doubt this will do anything. Like viruses, find a way to stop them they find more ways to get around it.
I'll wait until the knowledgeable come hear to understand it, but I'm more afraid of being disabled from watching anime temporary... Permanently probably, or hopefully, isn't the issue.
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Old 2008-03-15, 21:09   Link #4
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Show me the “special detection software” that is able to break into the TOR network.
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Old 2008-03-15, 21:17   Link #5
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There are a number of ways around TOR, but there's no sure-fire way to cut off peer to peer activity or to find it. There have been a number of efforts over the years and P2P activity seems to be just fine. It may become more difficult for certain people (particularly those who aren't very tech-savvy) but I don't expect anything terrible to happen.

It'll be interesting to see how it goes. I expect the effort to fail rather miserably. ISPs around the world generally fight against government or corporate requests to monitor for such activity and shut down sharers because the costs and potential backlash from false positivites is enormous. On the other hand, Verizon recently mentioned that working with P2P software makers can boost the performance of P2P software and decrease strain on their network at the same time... I hope Verizon is successful and that other companies follow that trail.
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Old 2008-03-15, 21:20   Link #6
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As long as one copy makes it out of japan and into the torrent netowork, then all's well as far as i can tell.
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Old 2008-03-15, 21:23   Link #7
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they are probably going to monitor connections that are on 24/7 with large upload rates
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Old 2008-03-15, 21:42   Link #8
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It won't work.

If there are more geniuses who use bittorent than people who'll stop them, tools will simply evolve to face the threat.
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Old 2008-03-15, 21:44   Link #9
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I lol'ed @ one of the comments:
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Damn, there goes all the good JAV porn.
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Old 2008-03-15, 22:19   Link #10
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FUD as far as I'm concerned. These kinds of stunts are done to scare 'casual' uploaders, they can't possibly hope to shrug off anyone barely determined.

Nothing to see here, move along...
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Old 2008-03-15, 22:40   Link #11
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The news looks menacing, but I think the veteran file sharers will eventually find a way to continue their activites - one way or the other.

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Old 2008-03-15, 22:46   Link #12
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There are many ways to get the file out to other countries, and if this rule is as enforced as it says it will be (which is really kinda impossible), then there are many ways that doesn't require a P2P connection. Once a RAW is uploaded to a file storage system like megaupload, everyone can then sub it and share...problem solved. The only possible problem might be the reduction of seeds...or something.
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Old 2008-03-16, 00:03   Link #13
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Main target being Winny, huh?

Either way, that won't stop anyone. They'll find a way to share it. Nothing to go panic over.
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Old 2008-03-16, 00:11   Link #14
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what i found interesting was the 'main targets winny'.. if im not mistaken, havnt they tried to do this 3 times already? each time a new file sharing network comes up which isnt detected by the software...
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Old 2008-03-16, 01:09   Link #15
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What everyone above said. Yeeeep. Sounds intimidating, but realistically, it won't do anything.
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Old 2008-03-16, 01:15   Link #16
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Media censoring in an East Asian country? What next, China becoming an economic powerhouse? There are so many reasons why this won't work, but mostly because the blogosphere is a natural breeding ground for piracy that ignores petty geographical and political boundaries. Cut off one head, and two new ones grow back.
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Old 2008-03-16, 01:22   Link #17
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But even without P2P, there are still a bunch of other file sharing services (e.g rapidshare, megaupload, sendspace, etc...). Those servers are not monitored by Japanese corps, & the uploader 's IPs are encrypted, they can never do anything about it.

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Old 2008-03-16, 01:35   Link #18
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Not really worried. 2 many people do P2P sharing so why worry. Like the below statement.
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Old 2008-03-16, 02:44   Link #19
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Post ISP Bans for filesharing.

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/15...-file-sharers/


What I wanna know is, is this going to affect Fansubs. =/ Your opinions?




Ah the horror of no more new anime. T_T
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Old 2008-03-16, 03:01   Link #20
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I don't think it'll ever work - or at least on a very large scale. A few months ago here, in Belgium, one of the music artists' associations (SABAM, for those who know of it) wanted to force one of the biggest ISPs (Belgacom) to apply anti-P2P filters that'd automatically recognize copyrighted material and either block the transmission or ban the culprit(s). The company simply refused, stating that creating patches and implementing them is not only an enormous task but it has detrimental effects on connection and transfer speeds, etc.

That was the official reason. The other motive, however, is much more down-to-earth and serious for them. I talked to my cousin who did work at their place for a little time and he confirmed that should the P2P activity be restrained or slowed down, then Belgacom'd lose between one quarter and one third of the total bandwidth consumed on a monthly basis - and they can't afford that. They know P2P means money and they need it...therefore, they cannot disturb it.

I imagine it'll be the same thing all over in Japan - ISPs don't really mind users indulging in filesharing but the government does and, in the long run, they'll find themselves in a conflict of interests. So, I'm not sure whether the mindset is different right there (I imagine the copyright associations must have more weight to throw around, though), but if the same percentage can applied to the overall situation, it'd be a momentous loss of revenue for the local ISPs.

And, as the others said, I doubt it'll stop the P2P think-tanks from devising new ways to circumvent those measures, like they created Share when Winny was compromised, etc, etc. The community is not an idle duck stupidly waiting for the hunter to pull the trigger.
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