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Hard Work 79 65.29%
Talent 42 34.71%
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Old 2008-03-20, 02:37   Link #1
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Hard Work vs Talent

What do you guys think is more important in accomplishing your goals? I believe that Hardwork is more important than Talent but there are some that work as hard as they want but they could never be good at it, so i dont know whats your opinion?
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Old 2008-03-20, 03:16   Link #2
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Hard work.


Only a select few can do everything without effort.
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Old 2008-03-20, 03:22   Link #3
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Hard Work here as well.

Beside a few people, hard work plays a major role for success in most things. Even for the talent ones, all it does is lighten that load a little, or helps advancing further in the same amount of time.
So of course, time is a factor. Awareness of what you are doing is a factor (if doing something blindly, then anything, even hard work, would become useless). Although when narrow down to Hard Work vs. Talent, I would choose hard work.

Plus, I'm not really sure but it seems humans are made to adapt, and hard work allows for that change.

But I vaguely remember a similar poll like this before...
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Old 2008-03-20, 03:26   Link #4
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If you work hard, you can be just as good a someone who has talent in whatever area.
But it depends how hard you work, imo.

Neither is the right answer for every situation.
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Old 2008-03-20, 03:31   Link #5
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BTW, my choice does not reflect my personal experiences.
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Old 2008-03-20, 03:48   Link #6
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Hard work.


Only a select few can do everything without effort.
some examples?
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Old 2008-03-20, 04:00   Link #7
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Saying somebody is successful because they are talented is bullshit.
Even if the person is both talented and successful, they worked their ass off to be in that position.
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Old 2008-03-20, 04:07   Link #8
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...There's not a definite answer to this question. I consider myself as one having a lot of talent.* However, all that talent will go to waste if I just sit on my ass all day and watch anime or something. Ultimately, it's hard work that matters, regardless of your talents. But logically, having more talent requires you to work less, which means someone with more talent but is just as hard working as someone with less talent will be better off. In this case, assuming that everyone is as equally hard working, then talent seems to win. Unfortunately, we cannot control talent, but we can control hard working.

But there seems to be another factor. There's a line called success where talent and hard working reach. Let's say someone with talent takes 5 year to achieve something, while another with less talent takes 7 years to achieve that same something. Let's say this "something" is his dream life. In this case, regardless of talent, both people will reach the same thing. One can argue that the more talented person can spend the 2 years to further his knowledge, but what will that achieve? His dream life already stops at 5, so working harder would achieve more credibility but he could've spent the 2 years enjoying his dream life. Therefore, by a rough case of transitivity:

Talent = Free time to enjoy life.
Hard Working = A key to success.

Therefore, I will vote for hard working.

*Note that this is not bragging, because I would never have said this if I did not find this thread
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Old 2008-03-20, 04:20   Link #9
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Wheres the option for both? Since most of the people at the top all worked their ass off however the thing that makes the diffrence is the talent.
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Old 2008-03-20, 04:26   Link #10
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At least in the music world, I believe hard work ends up pulling through more often than talent. The people who are talented often end up slacking and thinking that they can just wing it and be fine. Hard-workers end up catching up to those with that thinking and surpassing them. Suddenly, those complacent, talented ones look up one day and realize how behind they are.
Talent can also be in the eye of the beholder. Coming from a small hometown, I had pretty much no competition as a pianist, so I thought myself talented and one-of-a-kind. Then, off at college, I encountered similarly talented pianists. There were some who weren't as good, but practiced way more than I did, and ended up surpassing me. Now I'm playing catch-up!
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Old 2008-03-20, 04:28   Link #11
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Hard work is actually easy work if you're enjoying what you do.
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Old 2008-03-20, 04:32   Link #12
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Hard work is actually easy work if you're enjoying what you do.
Very true.

And also, here's one argument on why hard work wins. What if talent is not discovered? What if *insert famous person's name here*'s parents never met each other?
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Old 2008-03-20, 04:36   Link #13
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Very true.

And also, here's one argument on why hard work wins. What if talent is not discovered? What if *insert famous person's name here*'s parents never met each other?
That would be the third element of success - luck.

Hard work and/or talent mean nothing if they are not noticed at the right time/place.
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Old 2008-03-20, 05:20   Link #14
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If talent represents the ceiling, while hard work represents how high you can jump, I'd say talent is more important in the long run. If you've got no talent for what you're doing, it doesn't matter how hard you work. You'll never make it the top.

Ultimately though, you need both. And yes, luck is important too. Because those dimwits you see sitting in top managerial positions didn't get there by talent or hard work alone. They happened to be better apple polishers than you.
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Old 2008-03-20, 05:28   Link #15
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Hard work.

Actually both will be great. I think you can overcome talent with a lot of hard work and studying, altough talent can save you from quite a hard work. As example i'm not talented in graphic designer so i'm learning hard on that. My friend *looks like* have talent in graphic design so he learn much faster than me...

I'm also agree with Solace with the luck factor. But i think there's another factor count in success : opportunity. You'll need opportunity to create a prestation. I've experienced this myself. As example you has good skill, either you've earned it by learning hard or talent, in -lets say- math. You want to prove it to the world that you're great. But you don't have the opportunity to do so. Imagine it...
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Old 2008-03-20, 07:42   Link #16
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Hard work if you want to aim for the top.
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Old 2008-03-20, 07:57   Link #17
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i prefer Talent
If you got the talent the the less time you have to work on a goal

Example:
Some people can do a backflip with ease
while other people who attempt a backflip break their neck in the process
sure you can do the "hard work" but how many hospital bills are you gonna pay before you get it right?
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Old 2008-03-20, 08:32   Link #18
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i prefer Talent
If you got the talent the the less time you have to work on a goal

Example:
Some people can do a backflip with ease
while other people who attempt a backflip break their neck in the process
sure you can do the "hard work" but how many hospital bills are you gonna pay before you get it right?
You can prefer talent, but in the end it will be hard work that gets you sucess.

If you're talented in doing backflips and got it right the first time, can you be sure you will get it right for the rest of your life? Are you willing to bet everything on your talent and neglect hard work?

And, the more talented you are, the more people want from you. You will eventually rely on hardwork to carry on.
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Old 2008-03-20, 09:13   Link #19
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Can't really answer this poll since I have no talent in mentionable amounts and I've never worked hard a day in my life.

Just give me a sofa, bottle of coke and some quality anime.
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Old 2008-03-20, 09:16   Link #20
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^lol, that's the same for me, most of the time.

having talent or being hard working becomes moot if a person has no interest at all. i'd choose hard work, though.
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