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Old 2010-11-24, 15:59   Link #5961
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The interesting thing is, Toria is the only survivor of that sector, and this latest chapter has shown she still has some humanity left, wich makes me think she's gonna witness with her own eyes the miracle everyone was talking about.

And by miracle they mean... Overlord's total defeat?
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Old 2010-11-24, 16:20   Link #5962
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Who knows
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Old 2010-11-24, 22:29   Link #5963
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It is kinda hard to figure out what exactly are the miracles they're talking about since it was only mentioned on that one page. Maybe we'll find out, maybe we won't. The only clue we have is that it is some miracle against Overlord.

Like kurusu mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised to see that miracle be Overlord's total defeat. However, we do know that Overlord exists in the real world.
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Old 2010-11-25, 00:28   Link #5964
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On the whole miracle thing, I don't think they were talking about some specific miracle. I think they were just talking about the miracle of winning against Overlord against all odds.

On another note, I just finished reading through all of Needless again. I decided to compile a list of all the Fragments while doing so. It's up to date through Chapter 85, and I thought I'd share it with you guys. As you'll see, I can be a bit OCD with lists like this.

You can find it here: http://www.mediafire.com/?x3x4z1lrnpnl10s
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Old 2010-11-25, 01:34   Link #5965
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What I would like to know is if and where Strom is in the present world. Saten mentioned that the ice wall in Black Market was created by both Strom and Hatfield. But when was that ice wall created in relation to the Needless events timeline?

What if the miracle they speak of was about a person? I think Cruz plays a central role in this talk of miracles. With everything he's been through, dying and then being brought back from death by Eve, and surviving against all odds so far, I'd say he was a walking miracle.

Can't wait for Ch 86 next month. Hopefully we'll all find out finally if Cruz, Blade, and Saten can overcome the impossible odds.
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Old 2010-11-26, 01:39   Link #5966
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On another note, I just finished reading through all of Needless again. I decided to compile a list of all the Fragments while doing so. It's up to date through Chapter 85, and I thought I'd share it with you guys. As you'll see, I can be a bit OCD with lists like this.
WOW! That's an extremely comprehensive list. That has all you need to know about all the fragments that have ever appeared in the series. I wonder what Imai Kami would say if he saw this list lol...

Anyway, I'm glad you were able to make that and share it with the rest of us. Hopefully it didn't take you that long but having to type out all that kanji probably was the worst part. Thanks again for uploading that. Also, thanks for clarifying on the 'miracle' usage.
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Old 2010-11-26, 04:43   Link #5967
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WOW! That's an extremely comprehensive list. That has all you need to know about all the fragments that have ever appeared in the series. I wonder what Imai Kami would say if he saw this list lol...

Anyway, I'm glad you were able to make that and share it with the rest of us. Hopefully it didn't take you that long but having to type out all that kanji probably was the worst part. Thanks again for uploading that. Also, thanks for clarifying on the 'miracle' usage.
I agree, thanks js06 for sharing the list of fragment, is really interesting.
The explanation of the miracle given by js06 make sense especially if you re-read the speech with this thought, I admit that as I thought like Avvesione about this miracles thing and they talking about these miracles because these miracles had occurred in the past.
This makes it even more ironic if it happens like I said in my previous post,to think of it ... now I want that to happen, Strom's reaction would be priceless
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Old 2010-11-26, 10:55   Link #5968
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Nice list js06. Must have taken a lot of time to finish. But now that it's there it's going to be a cinch to keep it updated. Just once a month you'll have to change it and even that won't always be necessary.

About the whole miracle thing, the way Strom talks about it looks like it's not that long since people started using it widely. What made them all of a sudden consider it a possibility? Usually a miracle is something you pray(asking God) for if it hasn't already suddenly manifested itself. But there was no such talk. Even Strom is talking about the miracle as if it's something the "weak" would create themselves. In fact, that's the entire bases of his argument why the weak can' t win from the strong. I'm curious whether there's someone out there spreading "a miracle" rumor.
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Old 2010-11-28, 12:29   Link #5969
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I still have to check the new chapter.

But from what I've been reading:

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Old 2010-11-28, 12:38   Link #5970
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I still have to check the new chapter.

But from what I've been reading:

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Spoiler for spoiler:
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Old 2010-11-28, 13:23   Link #5971
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Old 2010-11-28, 23:31   Link #5972
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I thought Eve melting was because of the fact that she's not actually a true Needless, and was in the range of the PFZ blast?
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Old 2010-11-29, 00:44   Link #5973
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There have been no clear explanations on either of Eve's meltings. Most everything we've been talking about has just been speculation. We don't even know the origin on her creation or her second body.
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Old 2010-11-29, 06:53   Link #5974
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True, we do not have a clear explanation of ve's meltings.
But if you guys Reread about what happened before Eve's melt ,there are several indications that Cruz is probably one of the major causes for the situation Eve suffers.
We all agree that when Eve brought Cruz back to life she shared some of her Eden Cell with Cruz.
Also Eve received a strong shock from Disk's device in attemp to reactivate Cruz's heart.
During the pfzero Eve was probably weakened by the lack of some of her eden cell which led to the current situation, the interesting thing is if Cruz had not been brought to life in this way he would probaly die during the pfzero despite the kind hands of light.
Another thing I want to emphasize is, even now it took her a week before she starting to melt this also happened the first time and we saw this memory world(I think this information has not been distorted)and who came with the cure?
Of course Saten who was present during all these events over ... coincidence? I doubt very seriously as it has been shown to know exactly what would happen to Eve ,by bringing the treatment necessary to save Eve's life.
So the causes that led Eve to this situation are Cruz and pfzero or at least I think so with what we know so far.

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Old 2010-11-29, 08:05   Link #5975
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I hate being without home internet access (don't worry, only temporary). The stupid library PC logged me out while I was writing this, and when I tried to preview it I lost everything I had typed. I have limited time here, damn it! At least it remembered which posts I was replying to...
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Old 2010-11-29, 21:02   Link #5976
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Oops, you're right.

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Old 2010-11-30, 18:51   Link #5977
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Hey! I'm new here so I was wondering if any body can seen me link to the raw manga chapters of 29-49? I try finding them my self, but is all fail at the end. Plus, my computer keep failing to download them. So can anybody please help me! DX
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Old 2010-12-01, 21:26   Link #5978
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Maybe Cruz got Eve's Stigmata? Blade > Eve > Cruz and thats why Eve's body is going crazy now.

It does kinda parallel the whole adam created eve and eve is the mother of all humans.
If that ture would that mean Aruka,and cruz are like Cain and Abel? I known it sounds stupid, but I just wanted to share it to see what you guys think about it. ( I swear I been reading to much hell's angels! XD)
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Old 2010-12-02, 12:32   Link #5979
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If that ture would that mean Aruka,and cruz are like Cain and Abel? I known it sounds stupid, but I just wanted to share it to see what you guys think about it. ( I swear I been reading to much hell's angels! XD)
First of all welcome.
Returning to the topic ,you are right that scene and their relationship can be seen as that of Cain and Abel,but Cain and Abel exist or better they will exist in Needless in Needless 1.5 we see Cain and Abel should be his sister from what I read on this topic.
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Old 2010-12-02, 15:14   Link #5980
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Wow, I never knew topic of the Needless manga had this many pages =o

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Anyways, nice meeting you all.
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