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Old 2012-03-19, 13:22   Link #8241
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But Arclight already has one of those. He doesn't need another one...
Hmm, I don't think Arclight intents to have it for himself. When you think about how the whole thing went down, if he's doing this is bluntly because he happened to overheard Arca. It was all coincidence.
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Old 2012-03-19, 13:22   Link #8242
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But Arclight already has one of those. He doesn't need another one...
But for what he does need, he'd have to peek inside Cruz's head to confirm if it's legit.
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Old 2012-03-19, 14:03   Link #8243
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^For try to use Cruz again Blade and Eve? (if he really had this).
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Old 2012-03-19, 14:30   Link #8244
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where we read see the ch100 raw please?

Spoiler for theory:

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Old 2012-03-19, 14:48   Link #8245
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^For try to use Cruz again Blade and Eve? (if he really had this).
No, I'm implying that Cruz could be an Adam clone, hence my original "random theory" comment. Arclight wouldn't care about a random Needless, if Cruz is revealed to be one. He would be interested if Cruz had a unique power to copy, or if Cruz had a stigmata, or if he was another Adam clone no one knew about (since Arclight wants a better body). He'd also be interested in the chip, since it hasn't been written out of the story yet.

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where we read see the ch100 raw please?
It was just released to store shelves. Use Google if you're that desperate for raws. Don't beg here.
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Old 2012-03-19, 14:53   Link #8246
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Forget already about the datachip, that possibility is discarded the moment you recall Arca spent hours searching around the corpses to find the only piece of data Simeon came for. I've said it before and I'm going to say again: whatever Arclight uncovered by looking at Arca's memories is completely unrelated to the slaughter of the Resistance.
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Old 2012-03-19, 15:00   Link #8247
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Solace@ And I agree here. What I mean is even if Yamada really is a Adam clone I dont think that AA want to use is body...yamada is too young. So if AA can control yamada somehow I can see him use Yamada againt blade and gain what he want. Hell even if he had stigmata or a powerfull needless power I can see this happen.You know AA ,I'm sure he would take this chance.
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Old 2012-03-19, 15:02   Link #8248
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Forget already about the datachip, that possibility is discarded the moment you recall Arca spent hours searching around the corpses to find the only piece of data Simeon came for. I've said it before and I'm going to say again: whatever Arclight uncovered by looking at Arca's memories is completely unrelated to the slaughter of the Resistance.
with this thinking, we can discard fragment and stigmata too, with the disk bioscan, same for adam clone (disk would have detecting this to comparing with blade scan)

And maybe, the datachip in cruz pendant was incomplete (an other safety from resistance)
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Old 2012-03-19, 15:08   Link #8249
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^Which scan? We don't even know if Disk scanned Yamada. Not to mention, when Arclight used Blackout Invoke on Arca, she had no idea of what was happening and wondered why Arclight would do this and asked herself which secrets Arca's memories harbor.

About Arclight using Yamada's body for himself, nope. Arclight wants Blade's body because the height and constitution is exactly the same. This was pointed out at the very beggining of the plot.
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Old 2012-03-19, 17:05   Link #8250
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^Yeah.I dont remember Disk ever use scan again Yamada after the pfzero.
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Old 2012-03-19, 17:54   Link #8251
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After PFzero, but the aruka memory concerning hidden information about cruz past (to the basis, she believed cruz was killed during PFzero and she was surprised to see him alive)
By deductive, we can discard theories about fragment/stigmata/adam clone

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Old 2012-03-19, 19:07   Link #8252
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Old 2012-03-19, 20:24   Link #8253
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Spoiler for spoiler:
Spoiler for spoiler:

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Old 2012-03-20, 00:42   Link #8254
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I'm pretty slow. I haven't read the translated version of chapter 99 until now. Geez, now I'm too anxious about 100 to sleep
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Old 2012-03-20, 07:16   Link #8255
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Forget already about the datachip, that possibility is discarded the moment you recall Arca spent hours searching around the corpses to find the only piece of data Simeon came for.
That's what she said. Are you sure you can trust her?
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No, I'm implying that Cruz could be an Adam clone...
I think that's unlikely. Who, other than Simeon, would have the ability and the materials to create another clone? And supposing they were successful, why would they abandon that clone in the Black Spot? It just doesn't make sense to me. And anyway, Cruz is definitely Arca's brother - the family resemblance was noted by Hatfield.

Also, if Cruz is another Adam, the last thing Arclight wants is to awaken his abilities. The safe thing to do in that scenario would be to just chop Cruz's head right off, leaving his defenceless body to be used for whatever dastardly purpose you desire...


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Old 2012-03-20, 07:27   Link #8256
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Sayo A.@ True about the whole adam clone. But if Cruz is something special I can see AA try to use him again blade.( And I already say this) but I suppose we will see with this ch.( if we are lucky).
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Old 2012-03-20, 08:40   Link #8257
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Also, if Cruz is another Adam, the last thing Arclight wants is to awaken his abilities. The safe thing to do in that scenario would be to just chop Cruz's head right off, leaving his defenceless body to be used for whatever dastardly purpose you desire...
Sorry to intruder but, while I agree Cruz is no clone (cmon, he's made of flesh and bones!), you seem to have forgotten already about the Adam C., created by Simeon.
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Old 2012-03-20, 11:09   Link #8258
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I would be very surprised if Cruz was a clone - he looks nothing like the other clones from the Adam series.

With that said, it's now obvious that there is something in Cruz's head that Arclight is after. Either it's something like the datachip which he's been deliberately looking for, or it's something else that he didn't know about that happens to interest him and he's simply being opportunistic and ripping it out now.

I'm going to agree that whatever it is, the thing in Cruz's head was put there when Arca took him to Mengroze. He's a brain specialist, so there's no way he'd be needed for standard injuries. In addition, in chapter 81, where Cruz reveals he had been to Mengroze's hospital, he seems shocked when Gido claims Mengroze was a brain specialist. In other words he didn't know about it until then, which pretty much rules out Cruz going to him simply because he had a head injury of some kind.
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Old 2012-03-20, 11:24   Link #8259
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I just some wild idea that Cruz himself orchestrated his current condition in the past. So it's not Arca's will that she betray Cruz but his own will to escape Simeon grasp

He ask Mengroze to alter his memories to be like what we see till now, and Arca was his save device in case Simeon still search him (or secret in his head) by become double agent

well, just my 2 cent
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Old 2012-03-20, 11:43   Link #8260
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I just some wild idea that Cruz himself orchestrated his current condition in the past. So it's not Arca's will that she betray Cruz but his own will to escape Simeon grasp

He ask Mengroze to alter his memories to be like what we see till now, and Arca was his save device in case Simeon still search him (or secret in his head) by become double agent

well, just my 2 cent
I don't think, at 8 years old (or less), a boy think to prepare so elaborate plan.

My other theory is, the cruz accident in the past is not accident, he has been deliberately injured by order of resistance leaders, to hide secretly something in his brain during his treatment
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