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K. Shiruto · 2012-09-03, 06:10

^Blade already has all his fragments. During his clash with Arclight he only lost them for a while because his Zero fragment got sealed as a side effect of the colission.

And I have a slight idea of what might be inside the cocoon:

Spoiler for spoiler:

"The perfect magician". Yeah, they are fucked at all levels. From inside that bulb is gonna come an incomplete yet deadly and absolutely powerful being like a chrysalid evolving into a butterfly.

Avvesione · 2012-09-03, 06:34

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Originally Posted by Kurusu-Shirudo

I pretty much doubt Blade learned Blackout Invoke. And even if he did, Riru would break his arms to pieces before he had a chance to lay a finger on her. Also, successfully using that technique would mean Riru couldn't be able to move during that state, so it won't happen.

This fight is already lost and I can't help but think Blade has made a huge mistake by ripping apart the cocoon.

No, I didn't mean now but maybe sometime down the road. Blade doesn't know Blackout Invoke now, but he can learn it from Ishiyama to use on others later. That'd be one way to learn about Riru's past. Another would be to use it on Gido or Cruz or Aruka or someone else of important status to get their memories and learn the past that way.

Also, I wouldn't say the fight is a loss. It was Riru's job to protect the cocoon and now look at it. Depending what's in it, the fight will change significantly from this point forward.

K. Shiruto · 2012-09-03, 06:56

^If he comes alive out of this ordeal, that is.

Disk felt a lifeforce inside, so, 2 vs 3. Though Riru counts for 10

Xiammes · 2012-09-03, 07:13

I don't think Riru was ever close to Kasumi, or else she would have appeared in Guido's memories.

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^Blade already has all his fragments. During his clash with Arclight he only lost them for a while because his Zero fragment got sealed as a side effect of the colission.

This is true, Blade would have never been able to learn Kandata string or the Flame Fragment again, nor would he have been able to use the fourth wave.

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This fight is already lost and I can't help but think Blade has made a huge mistake by ripping apart the cocoon.

I don't think so, Blade need to be able to one shot her, and Cruz will be able to negate her again(but she won't be caught off guard).

Also Riru is constantly using Psychokinesis, Blade still has a chance to learn it after Arca's little lecture to him, we also have Disk pointing out how psychokinesis is similar to the gravity, magnetism and scent fragment. I expect him to be able to learn it, it won't be as powerful as Riru's, but if it helps him resist her psychokinesis, she can consider her self boned.

K. Shiruto · 2012-09-03, 07:33

Riru's Psychokinesis is on the same level as Arclight's, Seth's Gravitation or Teuryama's Flame after receiving a part of Arclight's Eden Seed. Quite different from anything else we have seen.

But as Riru herself said, "this is fate", and her fate is to be defeated in a near future by Eve.

On the other hand and after failing in her duty to guard the cocoon, Riru is gonna blow off steam by beating Blade to a pulp.

But now one more threat arises: the lifeforce contained inside the flesh bulb.

Xiammes · 2012-09-03, 08:29

Having a stigmata doesn't mean Blade isn't able to learn it, both Arca and Saten had a stigmata and Blade learned their fragments. As I said it won't be as powerful, but as long as Blade is able to move she won't be winning this fight.

Also their is nothing saying Eve has to beat her, and in any event Eve has no chance in hell to beat her, not without help.

K. Shiruto · 2012-09-03, 08:31

I see you're too optimistic with Blade having a chance to win. I think the opposite, it doesn't bode well, and now Riru knows about Yamada's fragment, the situation is worse than ever.

Hence why I said "in a near future" Eve might become strong enough to finally clash with Riru and avoid threats like having the heart palpitation halted.

At any rate, the fight with Riru ends there anyway, now the threat is whatever is contained inside the cocoon.

Xiammes · 2012-09-03, 10:37

I don't like to think of it as optimistic, I am simply not ruling out the possibility of him beating her. Eve on the otherhand doesn't have a snowballs chance with doupleganger.

Ynot · 2012-09-03, 11:28

Maybe it's the contents of the cocoon what'll provide Blade and his comrades with a fighting chance instead of driving the last nail in their coffin. If whatever is in the cocoon is not yet full grown and can't survive on it's own outside of the cocoon, it'll need immediate care and protection from Riru. This'll force her to divide her attention between that and Blade.

K. Shiruto · 2012-09-03, 14:15

Ok, I looked back some chapters where Riru was present and found something that should answer our questions.

Spoiler for spoiler:

Remember at that time the Simeon HQ were there, at the Black Spot. And now everyone and everything that was there was moved to the City, the cocoon was no exception.

Since the very beggining Riru was tasked with the job of guarding the cocoon.

And now it has been ripped apart. The fact Riru was so fixated with not letting anyone get close is proof enough its content is of utmost importance for Simeon, and, more than anyone else, for Arclight. But another thing that has been made clear is that whatever is contained inside is not yet complete.

And looking at Needless 1.5 where is stated the Needless Hunt is still ongoing, I would say the instant the subject touches the ground, it will die.

Which will be a great loss for Simeon and Arclight, and they'll be forced to restart the project again.

I expect Riru to go ballistic after this.

surerman · 2012-09-03, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurusu-Shirudo

Ok, I looked back some chapters where Riru was present and found something that should answer our questions.

Spoiler for spoiler:

Remember at that time the Simeon HQ were there, at the Black Spot. And now everyone and everything that was there was moved to the City, the cocoon was no exception.

Since the very beggining Riru was tasked with the job of guarding the cocoon.

And now it has been ripped apart. The fact Riru was so fixated with not letting anyone get close is proof enough its content is of utmost importance for Simeon, and, more than anyone else, for Arclight. But another thing that has been made clear is that whatever is contained inside is not yet complete.

And looking at Needless 1.5 where is stated the Needless Hunt is still ongoing, I would say the instant the subject touches the ground, it will die.

Which will be a great loss for Simeon and Arclight, and they'll be forced to restart the project again.

I expect Riru to go ballistic after this.

She's already have two ball on her chest

oh about Eve and Doppelganger. Eve could merge with Riru and take control of it. Or may be the cocoon itself, make Riru unable to lay hand on her and the cocoon.
Doppelganger make her able to penetrating any biomass just like what Archlight do to Yamada a while ago

Avvesione · 2012-09-03, 19:01

Watch Disk be the one who defeats Riru.

But seriously now, that's a good catch by you, kurusu, that the cocoon was originally in Blackspot but now underneath the City branch.

Will be interesting to see what's in it, considering it's related to the Needless Hunt, has a life form inside of it, is considered a 'holy site' by Riru, and likely related to the Adam and Eve Projects. Whatever's inside will dictate where the fight will go after this.

Curious to see how 'developed' or 'stable' this life form inside the cocoon is. Wonder how long it'll be able to live on its own outside the cocoon (and if Riru will need to take it elsewhere, like up to those stasis tube or something upstairs to keep it alive).

K. Shiruto · 2012-09-04, 07:44

I dunno. How long has Simeon been collecting Needless pieces? 2 years later the hunt continues, now under the direct responsibility of the Adam C. who gives us a demonstration by ripping off the hand of that big guy.

If it doesn't die instantly it will be quite a problem for the Resistance. As if they didn't have enough with Riru.

But really, it's gonna be hella interesting find what's contained inside the cocoon. "The perfect magician", the Adam Cyclops called that.

Njo Esper · 2012-09-04, 20:11

If that cocoon is so important, why is not Arclight itself defending it? What is he doing meanwhile? (It would be more interesting if he was not the one inside though)

Aside from the central point, i'm really curious to see how Yamada will handle a one on one fight. Maybe he'll use the same method as a certain boy with a mysterious power in his right hand...you know

Kurohane · 2012-09-05, 02:53

Seriously doubt it. Cruz doesn't have much of a punch anyway. Hatfield could attest to that.

thor94 · 2012-09-05, 05:22

Yes, current cruz power is useless against riku.
We have seen in this chapter, that she had a parry for aegis shield (directing her power out of reach to cruz right hand)
i feel, that cruz, is condemned to stay definitely the useless character compared to his companions.

K. Shiruto · 2012-09-05, 06:47

^Nope, that won't happen. The main character never stays useless for the entire story in terms of battle strenght, less now he finally awakened his fragment. Though not fully, the shield isn't his only ability, that's sure.

And also, how in the world is saving Eve from dying "useless" anyway.

thor94 · 2012-09-05, 12:15

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Originally Posted by Kurusu-Shirudo

^Nope, that won't happen. The main character never stays useless for the entire story in terms of battle strenght, less now he finally awakened his fragment. Though not fully, the shield isn't his only ability, that's sure.

And also, how in the world is saving Eve from dying "useless" anyway.

in "kamisama doll" Kyouhei stay useless until the end

K. Shiruto · 2012-09-05, 12:52

But this isn't Kamisama whatever you talk about, this is Needless. Already forgetting there's a connection between Yamada and Adam N.? You know, the main character in the second part of the story.

surerman · 2012-09-05, 13:09

and Yamada just get her power recently, you can't expect her to master or improve her power just after a couple of hour.
It just like hoping a boy who's just successful riding his bicycle at first time to do 'hands free' or 'standing one wheel'

...

I think I just mis-spell some words in this post....wonder where it is ?

2012-09-03, 08:29	Link #9226
Xiammes Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	Having a stigmata doesn't mean Blade isn't able to learn it, both Arca and Saten had a stigmata and Blade learned their fragments. As I said it won't be as powerful, but as long as Blade is able to move she won't be winning this fight. Also their is nothing saying Eve has to beat her, and in any event Eve has no chance in hell to beat her, not without help. __________________

2012-09-03, 10:37	Link #9228
Xiammes Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	I don't like to think of it as optimistic, I am simply not ruling out the possibility of him beating her. Eve on the otherhand doesn't have a snowballs chance with doupleganger. __________________

2012-09-03, 11:28	Link #9229
Ynot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010	Maybe it's the contents of the cocoon what'll provide Blade and his comrades with a fighting chance instead of driving the last nail in their coffin. If whatever is in the cocoon is not yet full grown and can't survive on it's own outside of the cocoon, it'll need immediate care and protection from Riru. This'll force her to divide her attention between that and Blade. __________________

2012-09-03, 19:01	Link #9232
Avvesione Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009	Watch Disk be the one who defeats Riru. But seriously now, that's a good catch by you, kurusu, that the cocoon was originally in Blackspot but now underneath the City branch. Will be interesting to see what's in it, considering it's related to the Needless Hunt, has a life form inside of it, is considered a 'holy site' by Riru, and likely related to the Adam and Eve Projects. Whatever's inside will dictate where the fight will go after this. Curious to see how 'developed' or 'stable' this life form inside the cocoon is. Wonder how long it'll be able to live on its own outside the cocoon (and if Riru will need to take it elsewhere, like up to those stasis tube or something upstairs to keep it alive). __________________ Anime Blog: http://avvesione.wordpress.com/ Twitter: @Avvesione

2012-09-05, 02:53	Link #9235
Kurohane Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012	Seriously doubt it. Cruz doesn't have much of a punch anyway. Hatfield could attest to that. __________________

2012-09-03, 06:10	Link #9221
K. Shiruto Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009	^Blade already has all his fragments. During his clash with Arclight he only lost them for a while because his Zero fragment got sealed as a side effect of the colission. And I have a slight idea of what might be inside the cocoon: Spoiler for spoiler: "The perfect magician". Yeah, they are fucked at all levels. From inside that bulb is gonna come an incomplete yet deadly and absolutely powerful being like a chrysalid evolving into a butterfly.

2012-09-03, 06:56	Link #9223
K. Shiruto Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009	^If he comes alive out of this ordeal, that is. Disk felt a lifeforce inside, so, 2 vs 3. Though Riru counts for 10

2012-09-03, 07:33	Link #9225
K. Shiruto Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009	Riru's Psychokinesis is on the same level as Arclight's, Seth's Gravitation or Teuryama's Flame after receiving a part of Arclight's Eden Seed. Quite different from anything else we have seen. But as Riru herself said, "this is fate", and her fate is to be defeated in a near future by Eve. On the other hand and after failing in her duty to guard the cocoon, Riru is gonna blow off steam by beating Blade to a pulp. But now one more threat arises: the lifeforce contained inside the flesh bulb.

2012-09-03, 08:31	Link #9227
K. Shiruto Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009	I see you're too optimistic with Blade having a chance to win. I think the opposite, it doesn't bode well, and now Riru knows about Yamada's fragment, the situation is worse than ever. Hence why I said "in a near future" Eve might become strong enough to finally clash with Riru and avoid threats like having the heart palpitation halted. At any rate, the fight with Riru ends there anyway, now the threat is whatever is contained inside the cocoon.

2012-09-03, 14:15	Link #9230
K. Shiruto Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009	Ok, I looked back some chapters where Riru was present and found something that should answer our questions. Spoiler for spoiler: Remember at that time the Simeon HQ were there, at the Black Spot. And now everyone and everything that was there was moved to the City, the cocoon was no exception. Since the very beggining Riru was tasked with the job of guarding the cocoon. And now it has been ripped apart. The fact Riru was so fixated with not letting anyone get close is proof enough its content is of utmost importance for Simeon, and, more than anyone else, for Arclight. But another thing that has been made clear is that whatever is contained inside is not yet complete. And looking at Needless 1.5 where is stated the Needless Hunt is still ongoing, I would say the instant the subject touches the ground, it will die. Which will be a great loss for Simeon and Arclight, and they'll be forced to restart the project again. I expect Riru to go ballistic after this.

2012-09-04, 07:44	Link #9233
K. Shiruto Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009	I dunno. How long has Simeon been collecting Needless pieces? 2 years later the hunt continues, now under the direct responsibility of the Adam C. who gives us a demonstration by ripping off the hand of that big guy. If it doesn't die instantly it will be quite a problem for the Resistance. As if they didn't have enough with Riru. But really, it's gonna be hella interesting find what's contained inside the cocoon. "The perfect magician", the Adam Cyclops called that.

2012-09-04, 20:11	Link #9234
Njo Esper Junior Member Join Date: May 2012	If that cocoon is so important, why is not Arclight itself defending it? What is he doing meanwhile? (It would be more interesting if he was not the one inside though) Aside from the central point, i'm really curious to see how Yamada will handle a one on one fight. Maybe he'll use the same method as a certain boy with a mysterious power in his right hand...you know

2012-09-05, 05:22	Link #9236
thor94 Member Join Date: Feb 2012	Yes, current cruz power is useless against riku. We have seen in this chapter, that she had a parry for aegis shield (directing her power out of reach to cruz right hand) i feel, that cruz, is condemned to stay definitely the useless character compared to his companions.

2012-09-05, 06:47	Link #9237
K. Shiruto Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009	^Nope, that won't happen. The main character never stays useless for the entire story in terms of battle strenght, less now he finally awakened his fragment. Though not fully, the shield isn't his only ability, that's sure. And also, how in the world is saving Eve from dying "useless" anyway.

2012-09-05, 12:52	Link #9239
K. Shiruto Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009	But this isn't Kamisama whatever you talk about, this is Needless. Already forgetting there's a connection between Yamada and Adam N.? You know, the main character in the second part of the story. Last edited by K. Shiruto; 2012-09-05 at 13:04.

2012-09-05, 13:09	Link #9240
surerman Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Killers Special Mobile Prison	and Yamada just get her power recently, you can't expect her to master or improve her power just after a couple of hour. It just like hoping a boy who's just successful riding his bicycle at first time to do 'hands free' or 'standing one wheel' ... I think I just mis-spell some words in this post....wonder where it is ?