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Old 2009-11-27, 12:25   Link #1461
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Kurusu NOTHING is known about Saten nor Blades power, they only present more mystery along the way, so first see where the manga goes then well see were the manga and the anime are the same. ok? You cant just say things about Saten when nothing about him is known in the manga...thats just you making things up.
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Old 2009-11-27, 12:28   Link #1462
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Old 2009-11-27, 12:29   Link #1463
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Kurusu NOTHING is known about Saten nor Blades power, they only present more mystery along the way, so first see where the manga goes then well see were the manga and the anime are the same. ok? You cant just say things about Saten when nothing about him is known in the manga...thats just you making things up.
Fine, but this...

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In the manga he also helps out Eve in the 2v2 SatenVsEve BladeVsAruka.
No, there's no dual loyalty, he let Eve save Cruz because he knew she's the only one in the group with healing abilities and also the only one who could bring him back to life.
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Old 2009-11-27, 12:31   Link #1464
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Saten just seems to following his own Agenda and is using those around him that best help him accomplish that goal. Since being under Arclight gives him more freedom to do what he wants
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Old 2009-11-27, 12:35   Link #1465
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Saten just seems to following his own Agenda and is using those around him that best help him accomplish that goal. Since being under Arclight gives him more freedom to do what he wants
This. He insn't the Needless Satan for nothing...

And call me stubborn if you want, but I know the main and only reason why Saten did all he did in Third Shelter: Cruz.

Maybe giving Saten a Zero has been a really stupid decision by the anime staff, but him being the final villian, I don't know but I can see this being a possibility. I mean... In the bible, Christ had a confrontation against Satan. Considering Christ in Needless is Cruz and Satan is Saten... it's possible.

By the way, isn't the council named 666?

Isn't that Satan's code number?

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Old 2009-11-27, 13:17   Link #1466
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Who said hes the final vilain you realy go ahead to much. Just think before you typ. Still 2 episodes and im 100% sure Arclight will be there in the final episode. Youll see.
His name is Saten. i dont give a nickle for Saten Satan. You add your own letters in place of others. Cruz stands for Cross btw (granted its the symbol of Christ) And realy do your homework if you look at these things.
666 is the nr of the beast in sociaty surrounding biblical context tho its never confirmed in the bible itself. many names and events come with the nr 666.
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Old 2009-11-27, 13:31   Link #1467
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According with the books of the Genesis, Lucifer and Satan are portrayed as two evil beings with different agendas. Sounds familiar?

Also, Satan is portrayed as a demon who murdered from the beggining and as a liar. Saten indeed is a liar. Such lies as:

-Arclight: Did you find the priest?
-Saten: ...Not yet.

-Eve: Why are you holding back?
-Because... I've fell in love with you.

And Lucifer is of course portrayed as the demon who always wanted to surpass god himself, basically the words Arclight has been speaking many times.

But don't forget this is Needless, and the author adapats the elements, backgrounds and other fragments from the bible as he pleases.

Though it's to be noted how much in common both Arclight and Saten have.
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Old 2009-11-27, 13:32   Link #1468
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Saten= Japanese pronunciation of Satan...

and at this point, it's still up in the air to who is the final villain. The last two episodes will confirm who'll be the final boss, though I have known series to leave it until the very last episode. But even though it'll be different from the manga, as long as they give Cruz the godlike powers we've been speculating he may have (or at least something close to it), then I'm not going to complain... too much
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Old 2009-11-27, 13:37   Link #1469
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I'm wondering what the anime will do in the next few episodes. Since the title of 23 is Saten, it'll probably focus on how he became who he is and his background with probably some stuff on Eve and her background. Plus it seems like there's some fighting with PGS, most significantly Setsuna.

That leaves one episode left (24) which could be more fighting between everyone and Saten/Cruz awakening as something (which would be shitty since it'd only be one episode left)/Arclight coming back and eating (yeah, I know everything that happened to him but it's still possible since he's Arclight and has most of the 2nd's remains)/some random tangent MADHOUSE decides that leaves us questioning more stuff. Or it could be some combination of anything. Guess we have 2 more weeks to find out.

Btw, does anyone have an idea for what Saten's agenda might be? Helping the group twice in the Third Shelter and withholding information from Arclight. Also him going easy on Eve and allowing her to save Cruz. (Also noticed that when Blade was finishing off PGS, Saten saved Setsuna and not Mio or Kuchinashi... and we all know who Setsuna kinda resembles... =P
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Old 2009-11-27, 13:40   Link #1470
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Saten= Japanese pronunciation of Satan...

and at this point, it's still up in the air to who is the final villain. The last two episodes will confirm who'll be the final boss, though I have known series to leave it until the very last episode. But even though it'll be different from the manga, as long as they give Cruz the godlike powers we've been speculating he may have (or at least something close to it), then I'm not going to complain... too much
Cruz unleashing all the powers in the last anime episode. Yeah, as long as they don't give him that joke of light fragment that came with the rumors, I'm fine too...
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Old 2009-11-27, 13:42   Link #1471
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Who knows later on that anime story will be an insert on the next Needless Zero manga or the main story, but in a different location where Saten reveals his secrets and agenda.

The author will surprise us again next chapter.
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Old 2009-11-27, 13:51   Link #1472
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Who knows later on that anime story will be an insert on the next Needless Zero manga or the main story, but in a different location where Saten reveals his secrets and agenda.

The author will surprise us again next chapter.
I agree, Needless always delivers

From the very beggining I knew a character like Saten couldn't be just a former scientist and Gido's friend. We are talking about the Satan of Needless, who have his own agenda, and the most misteryous villain, even more than Arclight himself.

By the way, I found who is Uten in the bible: Beelzebub. He's part of the satanic triumvirate (three man) along Satan and Lucifer.
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Old 2009-11-27, 13:56   Link #1473
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lets just wait and see kurusu
but i am intrested how does Uten connect to belzebub
Eve's hair is dark blue
little intresting tidbit all the main badguys have blue on their clothing in the manga even uten
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Old 2009-11-27, 13:58   Link #1474
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^ Yeah, the satanic triumvirate is portrayed in any book about religion, so I think it's true.

But again what's the point of using biblical references when we know the author adapts each one as he pleases...
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Old 2009-11-27, 14:11   Link #1475
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little intresting tidbit all the main badguys have blue on their clothing in the manga even uten
Wow, you're right. You do have a pretty good eye for noticing that. Where is the blue on Saten tho?

Edit: Nvm, his cape. Forgot it was over in Volume 6 where he's first colored.
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Old 2009-11-27, 14:14   Link #1476
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Beelzebub is known as the "King of Flies". Former Uten had nothing related to that, so who knows, maybe the one who becomes the new Uten will have a fragment with the power to create satanic insects and manipulate them at will among other ways...?
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Old 2009-11-27, 17:13   Link #1477
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Old 2009-11-27, 17:20   Link #1478
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K well if everyone keeps up fantasizing about absolutely nothing ill just call it.

Saten and the PGS & Blade will fight in ep 23, at the end of 23/begin of 24 Arclight will be back consuming the needless and regular humans around there. They all attack Arclight and then the blast will come. End of this season.

So ill prolly not respond untill after 23/spoilers 24 And then you can see if im right or wrong ^^.

Btw my version of events would lead to were the manga is at ch51.
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Old 2009-11-27, 17:28   Link #1479
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I agree, Needless always delivers

From the very beggining I knew a character like Saten couldn't be just a former scientist and Gido's friend. We are talking about the Satan of Needless, who have his own agenda, and the most misteryous villain, even more than Arclight himself.

By the way, I found who is Uten in the bible: Beelzebub. He's part of the satanic triumvirate (three man) along Satan and Lucifer.
Forgive me if i am wrong but I don't think Beelzebub is in the bible.

And I don't think uten is Beelzebub but the beast who makes "miracles" of the book of Revelations
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Old 2009-11-27, 17:33   Link #1480
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Forgive me if i am wrong but I don't think Beelzebub is in the bible.

And I don't think uten is Beelzebub but the beast who makes "miracles" of the book of Revelations
I don't mean the former but the one who is gonna become the new Uten.

The reference is not located in the bible, it's in the books of the Genesis. Interesting detail, Lucifer (Arclight) and Satan (Saten) are in that same group.

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