AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Discussion > Current Series > Macross

Notices

View Poll Results: Macross Delta - Episode 12 Rating
Perfect 10 3 13.04%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 7 30.43%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 5 21.74%
7 out of 10 : Good 4 17.39%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 13.04%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 1 4.35%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2016-06-18, 14:58   Link #1
Kairin
AnimeSuki's Mascot
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Macross Delta - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll

Welcome to the discussion thread for Macross Delta, Episode 12.

Thread Guidelines
  • Raw requests and offers are not permitted anywhere on this forum.
  • Spoilers or hints about future events must not be posted in this thread.
    If you need to reference something that would spoil a future event, reply directly with a private message, or seek out a more appropriate thread.
  • Discuss your expectations of the episode if it has not aired yet.
  • Be polite to your fellow forum members.
  • Please try to keep the discussion on-topic and use the Macross Delta - Anime Spoilers, Speculation & Theories thread for speculation and theories not related to the current episode.
  • Character bashing is not on-topic and will not be tolerated.
  • Do not post multiple times in a row. Please edit your existing post if you wish to add additional thoughts.
Episode Thread Spoiler Policy
  • Any comment that discloses events, characters, plot or other information before it is revealed in the anime is expressly forbidden whether or not it is behind spoiler tags.
    Spoiler tags should still be used where appropriate.
    Please consult the AnimeSuki Spoiler Policy for more information.
  • Adding a Spoiler tag:
    Just highlight your spoiler and click the button found
    on the "Quick Reply" and "Reply to Thread" forms.
    Make sure that you include a useful title!
  • Please use the Report button if you see any inappropriate spoilers:
    Click the button found to the left of the post, just under the poster's avatar.
    Using the Report button is anonymous and helps the Moderators
    locate and deal with problems quickly.
  • Posting inappropriate spoilers may result in a ban.
    Note: Reporting a post does not mean the poster will be banned instantly.
    The Moderators will use bans if warnings are repeatedly ignored.
Kairin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 08:57   Link #2
Stark700
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Somewhere on Earth
Spoiler:
__________________
<img src=http://i.imgur.com/Kze54WA.png border=0 alt= />
Stark700 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 10:39   Link #3
Gravitas Free Zone
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stark700 View Post
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
__________________
<img src=http://i.imgur.com/Z7Abv3p.gif border=0 alt= />
Gravitas Free Zone is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 10:43   Link #4
Alhazred
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Spoiler:
Alhazred is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 10:48   Link #5
wissenschaft
Member
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Spoiler:
__________________
wissenschaft is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 11:12   Link #6
Alhazred
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by wissenschaft View Post
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Alhazred is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 11:17   Link #7
kuromitsu
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Aww, Moment Killer Mirage.

Spoiler for ep 12:


Quote:
Originally Posted by wissenschaft View Post
Spoiler:
Yeah, I mean it may just destroy the planet and all the people on it, but hey, the needs of the many...

Also: I know this is just lazy photoshopping, but still I choose to believe that Windermere has a cat on the ship.
kuromitsu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 12:26   Link #8
ReddyRedWolf
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Spoiler for ep 12:
ReddyRedWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 12:35   Link #9
Kazu-kun
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf View Post
Spoiler for ep 12:
Spoiler for ep 12:
__________________
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.icon/signaturepics/sigpic39230_3.gif
Kazu-kun is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 12:44   Link #10
Vallen Chaos Valiant
Logician and Romantic
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Within my mind
Age: 35
I guess the issue here is, where is the sympathy point?

As in, what is stopping the UN Spacy justifying the complete destruction of this young civilisation that is clearly suicidal and ignorant of what it means to lose this war they were declaring?

Planet eater bombs exist. They know it but declared war anyway. If that's the way they want to play then they get what's coming to them. Has this show at any point argued in any way to suggest that their civilisation is worth sparing?
__________________
Vallen Chaos Valiant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 12:50   Link #11
Kazu-kun
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant View Post
what is stopping the UN Spacy justifying the complete destruction
The fact that they don't have the means to do that right now, maybe? I think to remember they said as much at some point. The NUNS won't be sending forces from the other side of the Galaxy any time soon, which probably means this star system isn't all that important to them.

Quote:
Has this show at any point argued in any way to suggest that their civilisation is worth sparing?
They don't have the luxury of talking about sparing anyone when you consider they're losing this war right now.
__________________
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.icon/signaturepics/sigpic39230_3.gif
Kazu-kun is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 12:56   Link #12
Vallen Chaos Valiant
Logician and Romantic
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Within my mind
Age: 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazu-kun View Post
They don't have the luxury of talking about sparing anyone when you consider they're losing this war right now.
I don't see it that way. This is just the delay between the UN Spacy deciding if crushing them is worth the trouble, and to actually do it. There is a delay, much like how Singapore was occupied by the Japanese in WW2. Consider the galactic scale we are dealing with I don't see this as any more than early skirmish.

The longer it drags on, the worse it is going to get for Windermere when the tide changes.
__________________
Vallen Chaos Valiant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 13:10   Link #13
ReddyRedWolf
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant View Post
I guess the issue here is, where is the sympathy point?

As in, what is stopping the UN Spacy justifying the complete destruction of this young civilisation that is clearly suicidal and ignorant of what it means to lose this war they were declaring?

Planet eater bombs exist. They know it but declared war anyway. If that's the way they want to play then they get what's coming to them. Has this show at any point argued in any way to suggest that their civilisation is worth sparing?
Terrans were traumatized by an extinction event. Killing off an entire fellow human race would not sit right with them. This whole uplift of other races is in part to ensure the species survival.

While NUNS HQ does have a kill them all attitude in regard to Lost Zentradi fleets that threaten their fleets and colonies it is them not just messing around as they are in fact that dangerous. A rebel Zentradi influenced medium sized Lost Zentradi fleet with a recovered Boddole mobile fortress tried to invade Earth in 2047. The planet Sephira suffered a Lost Zentradi attack before they were repelled. Only Chlore's all Meltran fleet was successfully made treaty with all these incidences post Space War 1.

Windermere on the other hand had a small fleet. Nowhere near the numbers Al Shal had which was 40 ships. Macross 7 fleet had 188 combat capable vessels. The Varauta fleet which grew under the Protodevlin had 502 combat ships, the flagship designed as a small Zentradi fleet killer of around 1000 ships..

Windermere on screen doesn't seem to have more than a dozen ships of their own. Which probably made NUNS central make this a local problem.
ReddyRedWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 13:38   Link #14
Vallen Chaos Valiant
Logician and Romantic
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Within my mind
Age: 35
A local problem, yes. But it doesn't matter how local it seems, a local problem still needs to be crushed. I see this young and naive civilisation as being foolish about war, living in their ancient culture of limited and glorious battles that their ancestors used to have. Wars that were profitable, and do not threaten their very existence. And now they declared war and world domination.

The point isn't that they can't succeed. The point is they are trying to succeed. And for trying, they would get what's coming to them. Real war, war that their ancestors had never experienced.
__________________
Vallen Chaos Valiant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 13:44   Link #15
kuromitsu
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant View Post
Consider the galactic scale we are dealing with I don't see this as any more than early skirmish.
Actually, right in this episode it was made obvious that Windermere doesn't necessarily want to make this larger than it already is. It depends on who you ask, really - Keith is bloodthirsty, sure, but Roid seems very much ready for peace and whatnot as long as they can dictate the terms.

Plus, it's no secret that Windermere needs 1) Protoculture ruins, 2) a singer with special abilities. Without either, they're basically powerless. And their lives are very short. Basically, they're not a long-term, galaxy-scale threat.

And anyway, Windermere is protected by plot armor so they can't get close to it atm.
kuromitsu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 13:47   Link #16
Kazu-kun
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant View Post
A local problem, yes. But it doesn't matter how local it seems, a local problem still needs to be crushed. I see this young and naive civilisation as being foolish about war, living in their ancient culture of limited and glorious battles that their ancestors used to have. Wars that were profitable, and do not threaten their very existence. And now they declared war and world domination.

The point isn't that they can't succeed. The point is they are trying to succeed. And for trying, they would get what's coming to them. Real war, war that their ancestors had never experienced.
No one goes to war to teach lessons. That's a fantasy. Wars are fought for material gain. And NUNS isn't gonna spend thousands of trillions of whatever currency they have sending a fleet to that corner of the Galaxy if they have nothing substantial to gain out of it.
__________________
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.icon/signaturepics/sigpic39230_3.gif
Kazu-kun is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 14:24   Link #17
Thess
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Spoiler for well this was interesting:
__________________

"Who would understand you after I die? Who else would march forward by your side?"

Last edited by Thess; 2016-06-19 at 14:37.
Thess is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 15:44   Link #18
magnuskn
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Hamburg, Germany
Age: 41
Plot heavy episode. I'll have to wait for the subs to give a substantiated opinion.
__________________
magnuskn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 15:51   Link #19
ReddyRedWolf
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Spoiler:
ReddyRedWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2016-06-19, 18:07   Link #20
azarhal
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
12 episodes in and Querule has been seen hanging with all the Walkures but Mikumo and haven't yet cuddled with Mirage outside of the OP.

I'm disappointed.
azarhal is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:13.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.