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2008-12-19, 21:45 | Link #942 |
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No it's relevant because like them you're ignoring things the other player/girl did while trying to list as much as possible for your fav. You're not a unique snowflake, I've seen your kind in nearly every fandom for various things. "Oh oh in ep 1 ranka did this and in ep 2 she did this and in ep blah blah blah, btw Sheryl just lost her career that's it" Yeah brilliant analysis skills genius.
Also if Sheryl and Alto had no chemistry than why do so many people like the pairing because of their chemistry? Why did Kawamori say that SxA chemistry was much better than RxA? Are we and Kawamori just morons compared to your brilliant analytical mind? Never mind that I find it hilarious someone thinks their an expert on character development because they do Employee Reviews Next time before you state your "credentials" at least make sure what you say isn't laughable in the first place. |
2008-12-19, 21:53 | Link #943 | |
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Well you're at a different analytical level than most Macross fans afterall. |
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2008-12-19, 22:14 | Link #944 | |
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Sheryl & Altoh had zero chemistry. Altoh is a young boy while Sheryl needs someone who understand her feelings. It's nice to see in many threads that your resort to personal attacks as a way to disagree with others. |
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2008-12-19, 23:01 | Link #945 |
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Hmmm... Let's see what's wrong with some of these statements, shall we?
Ranka grew because she went from a waitress to a songstress. Someone important. Equal or bigger than that has-been, Sheryl. ORLY? That's a point for character development and growth, now? The situations that are thrown in the character's face? That's way too flimsy, at best. She was essentially the same at the beginning and at the end of the series. A shy, bubbling young girl who didn't look her age and acted impulsively. There was material for growth there, specially after episode 21, but it was wasted - and reverted to the previous state in the last episode. GOD, she issued a challenge to Sheryl, like she was her rival in love and song! How's that for immature? Whereas regarding Sheryl, I don't think even someone like you can claim she was the same in episode 25 as she was in the first one. Ranka grew because she "confessed" her love for Alto. Oh, come on. "I loved you"? When she's abandoning the fleet to fend for itself? That's your big character growth? I'd put more validity in her actually making the decision to leave (however misguided that may have been) than on that ridiculous display of immaturity. And, oh, surprise, surprise, it was completely ignored later on. Sheryl and Alto have no chemistry. Did you watch "Star Date" and episodes 22,23 and 24? Or did you simply "view" them? Maybe you're just "at a different analytical level than most Macross fans", then? What hokey kind of statement is that? Sheryl and Alto had more chemistry together in those four episodes than most romantic comedies/dramas main characters throughout whole series. I mean, c'mon... that's pretty obvious. And, honestly vision33r, don't start your participation in a thread with nonsense like "I write employee reviews at work, since I am a manager". Nobody cares about that, we care about your exhibited ability to formulate a point. Do not spew your personal opinion as fact and expect everyone to swallow it.
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2008-12-19, 23:07 | Link #946 |
Alto x Ranka :)
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Ok lol excuse my choice of words, he still never said that he liked their chemistry more. All Kawamori said was "A lot of people seemed to like the scene between Alto and Sheryl and if I might say so myself, so did I" (not exactly the same but it was close to that.) I saw the translation from someone else that doesn't come to this forum, whom I don't know.
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2008-12-19, 23:17 | Link #947 | |
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In the interest of staying civil, how do you define "chemistry?" I define on-screen chemistry as two characters provoking reactions out of each other that simultaneously draw them out of their comfort zones and expose their vulnerabilities to one another. That was something I rarely saw in Alto and Ranka. |
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2008-12-19, 23:31 | Link #948 | ||
Alto x Ranka :)
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2008-12-19, 23:47 | Link #949 |
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And how the heck did she know she'd be able to end anything - except her and Brera's lives? Which is basically what would have happened if Grace hadn't been stopped in the end? Like I said, immature and misguided - even if, in the end, everything turned out alright.
Her charisma, at least to this viewer, actually diminished as the series went on. And I'm not alone in that view, if I may say so myself. And, yes, I can claim she didn't grow a bit, from what was shown to us both in the first episode and the last. There is no visible difference, other than her blurted out challenge at the end. Not really. Some people referred to the last episode as a reset, and in a way, it actually was, regarding Ranka. She reverted to the "too-pure-pure-girl" from the beginning, as opposed to the growing teenager she was shown to be from episode 21 up.
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2008-12-19, 23:50 | Link #950 | |
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I don't think it's the right thing to do despite the purity of her intentions due to their predicament. She doesn't even learn anything truly significant until Grace finally captures her. That's a wasted opportunity for character growth right there. Like I said before, the problem with Ranka has also to do with what the story spoon feeds to her. She's "protected" from all manner of culpability of her actions and vindicates her by showing that the moral of the story is on her side all along. |
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2008-12-19, 23:53 | Link #951 | ||
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The thing I take most issue with is exactly that: Ranka doesn't feel any weight from the happenings brought about by her (in)action(s). If anything, she, as a person, should feel some remorse over all the death she (however unwillingly or unintentionally) helped bring about. Yet, her "purity" seems to overshadow that need. Wasted potential, right there...
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2008-12-20, 00:38 | Link #954 | |
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The thought that Sheryl's development as a character conflicts with Ranka is absurd. She is a victim, and that's the problem. She stays that way with the story refusing to give her the chance to face the weight of her actions fully. Her song has a terrible and wondrous power, and it's a fact that it has something to do with the destruction of her home in the past. It has also caused the deaths of many after her concert. While the results are tragic and unfortunate, it's also true that she genuinely tries and I agree that you can't truly blame her for that. But this doesn't really excuse her from facing that reality properly. With everything that has happened to her, you can't just sum that up with "Ranka didn't betray humanity after all." (an actual quote) and call it a day. And it is in this area where the story and her character is lacking. The moral of the story saves her. |
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I thought the last episode was rushed as concerns the main resolution of the story and the consequences of certain actions and future possibilities opened by the fleet finding a new planet to colonize. But the mecha-pr0n and the songs more than made up for it over my repeat viewings. Doesn't change the fact that there was some very poor writing done, there, that I wished would have been handled better. But that's already straying off-topic for this thread. @kujoe: Couldn't agree more. "The moral of the story saves her". And that's poor, lazy writing, right there.
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2008-12-20, 00:51 | Link #956 |
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I actually don't get why most people sugarcoat Ranka's actions and then using the "well you know, she is still 16, you can't blame her for blah blah this and that" card. Regardless of age, she can make her own decisions. Its all about thinking through them. Especially BIG decisions. Like...let's say, leaving Frontier for Vajra-land. Unfortunately, Ranka exercised little thinking in that. =_=
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2008-12-20, 00:57 | Link #957 |
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Wow Ranka really is a very important person in this forum...all that heat-debate is still continuing...
Well basically Ranka feels something needs to be done, and because only she can communicate somehow, she chooses to run to Vajra planet to investigate...and she does feel sad when she remember the tragedy when she was young, and then she got controlled. And I guess here is the issue, after she gets free from Grace's control, she CHOOSES the right thing to do, which is to help Macross Frontier IMMEDIATELY. I don't know whether she remembers anything during the period she got controlled. But even if she did, she understands the most important thing is to save Frontier, and she does it right. It was not the right time for feeling sad, or self-blaming. She acts immediately, which could be a sign that she got more matured or she lets the past tragedy go and decides to move forward. I guess ppl have a problem of seeing Ranka decides to let the past go and move forward so easily without suffering XD. But I guess Ranka knows, after this series, that it's important to save ppl now and let the past goes. She changes and decides to move forward, while some audiences want to see her suffer then allow her to move forward XD
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2008-12-20, 01:00 | Link #958 | ||
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2008-12-20, 01:52 | Link #959 | |
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While she wanted to become a star herself, Ranka was very irresponsible once she attained that stardom (ditching a parade held in her honor to find her pet, refusing to sing during the funeral, completely abandoning her duties). Also don't try to sugarcoat Ranka's actions with the she's just sixteen crud, Alto is seventeen, Sheryl is seventeen, as is Michael, and Luka, Kira, Cagalli, Athrun and Lacus were all sixteen, Minmei was sixteen, as was Hikaru, Maylin was fourteen (younger than Ranka *gasp*), GWing guys and Relena were all fifteen bottom line is Ranka's age is not excuse for her actions. She was spoiled and selfish not through her words but through her actions. In fact I highly doubt she has ever once factored Alto's emotions into the equation, of her schoolgirl crush. Bottom line is her development was lacking there's no way to get around that without completely ignoring 95% of the series like vission33r did. Last edited by wisteria233; 2008-12-20 at 02:07. |
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2008-12-20, 05:05 | Link #960 | |
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Alto has problems throughout the entire show to demonstrate his feelings, besides getting angry. But they managed to show that he truly cares for Sheryl, and yes, definitely loves her. And you are obviously too arrogant, if you dismiss Raile so blithely. Raile has been here for months, and given us just as good analysis of the characters and the show than others of our best members. Where have you been, but turning up for the last days to espout an opinion which a mayorite of the posters here disagree with, and about which we already argued for several months? Stating that you have some mythical higher threshhold of analysis is laughable. We have people here who are able to dissect scenes and episodes painstakingly, unlike you, who has so far only thrown out blanket statements.
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