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Old 2011-11-03, 19:18   Link #1501
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That is also one of their purpose, and the purpose of the NUNS military. Macross 7 for example, brought in an entire fleet of 200,000+ ships in a TV special...

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Macross 7 is rather unique in that one. Even UN Spacy HQ thought negotiation was hopeless.

To date there hasn't been another fleet encounter, with exception to Chlore fleet, or Bodolle main fleet encounter since 2010. Oh a repaired Bodolle ship used by Zentradi rebels in 2047 to invade Earth but that doesn't count. Newly developed Song Energy technology imported from Macross 7 made it possible for the Milky Doll idol group to make a Minmay Attack.

Though there is an indication that planet based wild Zentradi are absorbed into NUN society with Veffidas being recently "cultured".

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Old 2011-11-03, 19:57   Link #1502
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Since Earth is still populated (just how much is repopulated is a question in its own right), one wonders how many Macross colonies are out there, with how many people on them and their escorting fleets...plus other fleets of Humans. Then add in the Cultured Zentrati to this for a total Human Culture population.
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Old 2011-11-03, 20:19   Link #1503
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Since Earth is still populated (just how much is repopulated is a question in its own right), one wonders how many Macross colonies are out there, with how many people on them and their escorting fleets...plus other fleets of Humans. Then add in the Cultured Zentrati to this for a total Human Culture population.
As for colonies there are planets and there are space based colonies. Already in the SDF Macross era they had some as well the moon colony.

Macross M3 has Max and Millia quell both Human and Zentradi insurrections among colonies in their career as pilots of Dancing Skull Squadron.

Macross Plus has a list of wars and conflicts Isamu has been in. The guy is walking trouble magnet. Eden is probably the most developed colony there is.

Macross 7 has the Varauta colony and expedition taken by the Protodevlin. Macross 5 citizens on Rax were taken as well. There is also that backwater mining colony Emillia is on.

Macross VF-X has the failed colony of Elysium where rebel Zentradi took hostages.

Macross VF-X2 has operations on several colonies.
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Old 2011-11-03, 21:02   Link #1504
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That is a lot of population growth after just 50 years. Also a lot of colonial development...that is barely a generation for even for some of them and two at best for the oldest ones. Especially after a massive depopulation...on the order of nearly 7 billion humans dead.
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Old 2011-11-03, 22:17   Link #1505
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Yeah well they cheated with cloning.
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Old 2011-11-03, 23:21   Link #1506
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It isn't just the population growth, it is the expansion of communities and colonies. Things that really do take time normally. Collecting resources to build all these ships. They built a lot of ships in addition to all those they got from the cultured Zentrati. They do have a factory, but they need materials still.

But mainly the building of civilization/infrustuture more than the ships.
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Old 2011-11-03, 23:43   Link #1507
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It isn't just the population growth, it is the expansion of communities and colonies. Things that really do take time normally. Collecting resources to build all these ships. They built a lot of ships in addition to all those they got from the cultured Zentrati. They do have a factory, but they need materials still.

But mainly the building of civilization/infrustuture more than the ships.
As Reddy mentioned earlier, they cheated by cloning. Moreover, the NUNS also consist of 3 primary races, the Humans, Zentradi and Zolans.

As for factory, humanity begin manufacturing smaller versions of the factory satellite on their own. Each colonial fleet is equipped with at least one factory plant.

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Old 2011-11-04, 00:55   Link #1508
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Manufacturing in the Macross universe is pretty incredible. Even the Macross 7 fleet is capable of building another Battle-class ship on their own. Now imagine what they could do with the giant factories.
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Cloning doesn't make societies, it just makes people. People with less than a million people to act as "parents" or an older generation to help build that society. Getting the shops working, getting the infrustructure, the schools, all that stuff we sort of take for granted. It is all built up over time. That was all practically wiped off the face of the Earth. All they have left, basically, is Macross City as a fountation to work off of. There is nothing else left in terms of society. The Zentrati certainly had nothing of the sort before being "cultured".

Yet their are millions or even billions of humans spread all over the galaxy is seemingly perfectly fuctional societies within a generation (Macross 7 and Macross Plus) or two (Macross Frontier). Doesn't that seem strange?

Unless I'm misunderstanding how they make clones.
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Old 2011-11-04, 01:23   Link #1510
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Except when you combine the already incredible manufacturing capabilities of the Macrossverse, with cloning able to manufacture even more people, then it would be possible to seed the galaxy as they have done. Keep in mind that a complete functioning satellite factory was also captured by humanity in the original SDF, while forty of those factories are able to support an entire fleet of 5 million ships + 1 battle station.

As for cloning, maybe implanting a mindset was included in the process.

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Old 2011-11-04, 03:56   Link #1511
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As Reddy mentioned earlier, they cheated by cloning. Moreover, the NUNS also consist of 3 primary races, the Humans, Zentradi and Zolans.

As for factory, humanity begin manufacturing smaller versions of the factory satellite on their own. Each colonial fleet is equipped with at least one factory plant.

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Not to mention the NUNG stole as per Macross Chronicle, 20 Factory Satellites.
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Old 2011-11-04, 05:07   Link #1512
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Cloning doesn't make societies, it just makes people. People with less than a million people to act as "parents" or an older generation to help build that society. Getting the shops working, getting the infrustructure, the schools, all that stuff we sort of take for granted. It is all built up over time. That was all practically wiped off the face of the Earth. All they have left, basically, is Macross City as a fountation to work off of. There is nothing else left in terms of society. The Zentrati certainly had nothing of the sort before being "cultured".

Yet their are millions or even billions of humans spread all over the galaxy is seemingly perfectly fuctional societies within a generation (Macross 7 and Macross Plus) or two (Macross Frontier). Doesn't that seem strange?

Unless I'm misunderstanding how they make clones.
It doesn't make much sense, does it? You just have to accept the handwavium, or not.
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Old 2011-11-04, 09:01   Link #1513
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Its really not that hard to believe, considering we have a real life example with China, which went from 400 million to 1.3 billion in the span of half century...

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Old 2011-11-04, 11:00   Link #1514
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As for cloning, maybe implanting a mindset was included in the process.

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The implication is that certain qualified persons are chosen to be cloned for emigration fleets as early as Megaroad 1. We've seen this with Macross Frontier with Howard Glass' cabbie brother and Leon's clothes vendor brother. Also General Perry having a twin on his own bridge.

Macross Plus has Marge Gueldoa who looks like and sounds Maximillian Jenius. If only insane.

There is also some speculation that Aegis Focker is a clone of Roy Focker.

Though on Earth it seems they've stopped cloning. Something about children having diseases.
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Though on Earth it seems they've stopped cloning. Something about children having diseases.
LOL, yeah. This was mentioned quite early on in the official timeline. After all, you can't get much of a combination with less than 100,000 humans, unless you would include the gazillions of Zentradi 'friends' in orbit. Something tells me, there is no pure-bred humans anymore, some might have been sliced & diced with Zentran genes, or Zolans, for that matter.

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LOL, yeah. This was mentioned quite early on in the official timeline. After all, you can't get much of a combination with less than 100,000 humans, unless you would include the gazillions of Zentradi 'friends' in orbit. Something tells me, there is no pure-bred humans anymore, some might have been sliced & diced with Zentran genes, or Zolans, for that matter.

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Which is something I always found odd, considering that Dynamite 7 points out (in the "Zomeo and Zoliet" radio drama) that humans and Zolans can't procreate...
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A million survived among various places. The Macross, Grand Cannons, the Moon and space colonies at L5.

Though as Macross Plus and Macross Frontier has shown there is still prejudices on Zentradi. Though in Howard Glass' case its a political faux pas if the public gets a wind of it. On Guld it is whether being a natural born Zentradi affects his emotions to be aggressive.

General Gomez of Macross Plus on the other hand is so pro Human-Zentradi alliance that he sought to eliminate the need for manned fighters with the X-9 Ghost.

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Which is something I always found odd, considering that Dynamite 7 points out (in the "Zomeo and Zoliet" radio drama) that humans and Zolans can't procreate...
Normally a primate and a marsupial can't make kids. But hey it could be a in-universe did not do research.

Michael Blanc in Macross Frontier is somewhat a mongrel having descended from the three known Protoculture created races.

If Rax ruins are to go by the Protoculture intended their "children" to be able to make out and make babies.
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Which is something I always found odd, considering that Dynamite 7 points out (in the "Zomeo and Zoliet" radio drama) that humans and Zolans can't procreate...
Yeah, that struck me as odd too. Then again, with genetic engineering, who knows?

Besides, inability to make babies didn't stop Klan from hitting Mikey, which always came across to me as a giant mating a mice... but whatever makes them happy.

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Yeah, that struck me as odd too. Then again, with genetic engineering, who knows?

Besides, inability to make babies didn't stop Klan from hitting Mikey, which always came across to me as a giant mating a mice... but whatever makes them happy.

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There's always the option of Michael growing Zentradi size. Graham, a Zolan, made himself bigger. Unless there is some complication.

The problem with dating loli Klan is that cops first reaction would be Michael is a pedophile.
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The problem with dating loli Klan is that cops first reaction would be Michael is a pedophile.
Klan (to cops after being halted): I just look young, ok!? What, you jealous!!??

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