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Old 2009-07-14, 00:28   Link #20861
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A common side effect of ShirLulu shipping. ^^;
Ha ha ha, yeah something like that.
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Old 2009-07-14, 08:25   Link #20862
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Honestly, Kallen's a very complex character for me. I think I have some kind of deep-rooted psychological issue that's keeping me from enjoying her character to the extent that I should, but I won't go into that.

Aside from that, I really can't think of a sensible reason to not like her. She's badass, kickass and she's got a fine ass. She's one of, if not the most epic pilot on the show. She's got a very powerful sense of justice, honor and loyalty. So yeah, pretty much what everyone else said. I guess the only thing I could hate her for is for being too awesome
Most people hate her for this. And for a certain other-Lelouch reason. I wonder, sometimes people, should not hate the chara, but the staff. Like, do not hate the player, hate the game. <--yep, story of Kallen's hate-life.
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Old 2009-07-14, 11:24   Link #20863
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Kallen will uncover Lelouch used the geass on her.

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Old 2009-07-14, 12:10   Link #20864
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People may hate Kallen for being too awesome, but she doesn't quite fit the definition of a Mary Sue. She isn't perfect, she does lose, bad things do happen to her, she does have a range of emotional responses.

The only thing I don't like about her applies to all of the Black Knights--teaming up with Britannia after spending all that time trying to kill Britannia. But I blame the writers of R2 for that, not the characters.
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Old 2009-07-14, 12:38   Link #20865
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The only thing I don't like about her applies to all of the Black Knights--teaming up with Britannia after spending all that time trying to kill Britannia. But I blame the writers of R2 for that, not the characters.
actually, she never techniclly teams up with britannia
dont forget that by the last arc, lelouch IS britannia (where as shnizel is his own player, opposing lelouch's britannia)

unlike the other members of the OOBK, she never actually joins in on shnizel's offer (lelouch for japan)
which means she only ends up opposing lelouch AFTER he becomes emperor
which means she never actually STOPS fighting britannia, only that the leader of britannia changes
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Old 2009-07-14, 13:11   Link #20866
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That's a good point, I'd forgotten that Kallen wasn't in on Ohgi's little backroom dealing.
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actually, she never techniclly teams up with britannia
dont forget that by the last arc, lelouch IS britannia (where as shnizel is his own player, opposing lelouch's britannia)

unlike the other members of the OOBK, she never actually joins in on shnizel's offer (lelouch for japan)
which means she only ends up opposing lelouch AFTER he becomes emperor
which means she never actually STOPS fighting britannia, only that the leader of britannia changes
Actually, Brittania is more of a loose term in the series. It is basically, the "injustice". Something, that Kallen is fighting against, pretty much in the whole series. So yes, technically, she is fighting against that. In literal terms, she is going against Lelouch, while the rest are crapping around, but anyway. lol
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by the others crapping around
are you talking about lelouch or the OOBK ?
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by the others crapping around
are you talking about lelouch or the OOBK ?
OOBK, which jumped too fast on the Schneizel wagon, Xing-ke being indecisive most of the times, Ougi only looking to protect his "woman" and other million things. At least, Kallen set for one thing, and she was ready to do it, even if it would hurt her like 84039430 mountains landing on her boobs.
But i am not gonna go on my after-turn-19-BK rant here, so yeah.
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Old 2009-07-14, 14:34   Link #20870
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OOBK, which jumped too fast on the Schneizel wagon, Xing-ke being indecisive most of the times, Ougi only looking to protect his "woman" and other million things. At least, Kallen set for one thing, and she was ready to do it, even if it would hurt her like 84039430 mountains landing on her boobs.
But i am not gonna go on my after-turn-19-BK rant here, so yeah.
why not ?
is it that you dont WANT to, or that you feel this isnt the right thread ?
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Old 2009-07-14, 14:40   Link #20871
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Most people hate her for this. And for a certain other-Lelouch reason. I wonder, sometimes people, should not hate the chara, but the staff. Like, do not hate the player, hate the game. <--yep, story of Kallen's hate-life.
Well then by that logic we should hate the creators of every single fictional character we dislike

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People may hate Kallen for being too awesome, but she doesn't quite fit the definition of a Mary Sue. She isn't perfect, she does lose, bad things do happen to her, she does have a range of emotional responses.

The only thing I don't like about her applies to all of the Black Knights--teaming up with Britannia after spending all that time trying to kill Britannia. But I blame the writers of R2 for that, not the characters.
Well, as you said, no one likes a Mary Sue. No one likes a perfect character and, for the most, every character should have their flaws. And yes, Kallen does have her trials and tribulations, but you do have to admit she tends to luck out in the end. I'd say, compared to some other characters on the show, she usually, and in the end, got off pretty good (aside from losing Lelouch of course).
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Well then by that logic we should hate the creators of every single fictional character we dislike


Well, as you said, no one likes a Mary Sue. No one likes a perfect character and, for the most, every character should have their flaws. And yes, Kallen does have her trials and tribulations, but you do have to admit she tends to luck out in the end. I'd say, compared to some other characters on the show, she usually, and in the end, got off pretty good (aside from losing Lelouch of course).
I'd argue that given all the shit she must have went through during the last half or R2, she fucking EARNED her happy ending
Spoiler for why it sucks to be kallen:


no matter how you look at it
kallen did NOT luck out on anything
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I'd argue that given all the shit she must have went through during the last half or R2, she fucking EARNED her happy ending
Spoiler for why it sucks to be kallen:


no matter how you look at it
kallen did NOT luck out on anything
Ah, not in the mood for many tl;dr posts tonight {lol} but yeah, Kallen at least fought with a selfless outlook, so yes, she is the cliche-chara of "dude, imma get my happy ending, cause my ass got off from its place fighting for mama, bro's dream and the world. And i lost the love of my life for this too, daaaammnnn"

Yeah.
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Old 2009-07-14, 15:19   Link #20874
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Her face when she looked at Lelouch's picture right before she runs off into the world tells you all about her ending.

Bittersweet, with a dash of optimism
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did you actually READ my post ?
Well Kallen fans are already aware of what she went through.
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Her face when she looked at Lelouch's picture right before she runs off into the world tells you all about her ending.

Bittersweet, with a dash of optimism
Actually, if someone just saw the ending, they would see a happy and grateful Kallen. It is the extra-materials, that "force" us to insert the "bittersweet"-notion.
But, i guess, the way she says "hey Lelouch" sounds like she wanted for him, to be near her. {and possibly, doing things...you know, like having a nice convo, yeah. Haha.}

eta: no i did not, but i know what would you say, and the gist of it, i just focused on the earn-part. 8D
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eta: no i did not, but i know what would you say, and the gist of it, i just focused on the earn-part. 8D
i didnt mean earn in terms of what she did
i ment what she WENT THROUGH
it really SUCKED to be her in the second half of R2
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You make a valid argument. But what I can I say? I just don't feel it. Maybe I just can't relate to Kallen or something. As I said, I think there are some pyschological issues involved on my part. I mean, Kallen is a strong girl and even when she was faced with this adversity, I usually got the feeling that her strength and indominable spirit would pull her through. I never got the feeling that she was truly suffering.

Oh, about this one thing though.

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kallen did NOT luck out on anything
Just one example. If Sayoko had come 5 seconds later Kallen would be dead right now.
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i didnt mean earn in terms of what she did
i ment what she WENT THROUGH
it really SUCKED to be her in the second half of R2
Being in a wall-ass-jail and having Gino being all "hi hu ha hur" around her and her not being able to kick him to stfu? Yep, sucks to be R2-11-17-turns Kallen. True story.
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