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Old 2008-09-23, 06:40   Link #13441
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Maybe he's just being pragmatic?

If he told her and she believed that what he was doing to be a good thing then shes faced with the dilema to either:

1. Side with him and eventually have to face(and kill) her old friends and comrades if they oppose the plan and can't be convinced(since he has geass and from their perspective kallen is acting OOC its very likely).

Or

2.Fight against the person she loves even though hes trying to make the world better and to make matters she doesn't even have the consolation of hating him for what he's doing since she agrees with it in principle.

Either way she would be in an impossible position so Lelouch just decides to not tell her and act like a jerk in front of her to ease her burden.
thats an assumption that he did it for her sake
but unless he actually states it to be the case then from a plot POV hes a fucking retard


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計画通り or 計算通り....at the end would make Lelouch No1 in the manipulative bastards list...
what does that mean
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Old 2008-09-23, 06:48   Link #13442
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Old 2008-09-23, 06:49   Link #13443
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thats an assumption that he did it for her sake
but unless he actually states it to be the case then from a plot POV hes a fucking retard




what does that mean
"Just as planned"...


not necessarily retarded but degrading indeed, especially if it's for the plan's sake.
But...after all he is just being Lelouch.


Wait a min, this is a Kallen thread.
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Old 2008-09-23, 06:53   Link #13444
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thats an assumption that he did it for her sake
but unless he actually states it to be the case then from a plot POV hes a fucking retard
Yes its an assumption. One that i'm basing on this entire seasons devolpment of the relationship between these 2 characters, lelouchs devolpment and Lelouch generally being a self-sacrificing idiot.

Lets see what makes me think he cares about her:

1.His reaction to her words in EP 7 where he would've chased after her when he believed he hurt her feelings if Rolo hadn't got in the way.
2.The fact that he lost his usual cool-rationale when Kallen got captured and pretty much told Diethard "FU we be going after kallen".
3.When he got pissed at Suzaku for taking kallen away.
4.When he sent Rolo and Sayako to rescue Nunnally they were not exclusively after her alone. Kallens rescue was one of his priorities.
5.When he saved her life in the hanger and told her to "live on"
6.Shirelys death hit him so fucking hard that he abandonded his old life to keep his friends out of the crossfire. Illustrated again with the scene with Rivalz in EP 22.
7.When he paniced at the thought of Kallen throwing her life away for his sake fighting Rolo during the fight in Babel tower .

Really if you don't think he did it for kallens sake theirs something seriously wrong with either you or Taniguchi for wasting so much time on the pairs relationship.

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Old 2008-09-23, 06:54   Link #13445
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that would be the biggest ass pull of all times
he has no way to know that she'd even make it past the shield
let alone beat suzaku (who cant just throw the fight becouse of his geass)

i do think that lelouch wants kallen fighting against him
not in terms of he wants her to be the one to stop him (or even wants to be stopped)
but rather he prefers that she remains the kind of woman she is rather then be corrupted by him
if he dreams of a better tomorrow then there must be people who should live in that kind of tomorrow
i think he thinks kallen is just the kind of person who would belong in it
and if this tomorrow can only be created by destroying the kind of person she is then that tomorrow wont be worth it
that might be his mind frame


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Yes its an assumption. One that i'm basing on this entire seasons devolpment of the relationship between these 2 characters, lelouchs devolpment and Lelouch generally being a self-sacrificing idiot.

Lets see what makes me think he cares about her:

1.His reaction to her words in EP 7 where he would've chased after her when he believed he hurt her feelings if Rolo hadn't got in the way.
2.The fact that he lost his usual cool-rationale when Kallen got captured and pretty much told Diethard "FU we be going after kallen".
3.When he got pissed at Suzaku for taking kallen away.
4.When he sent Rolo and Sayako to rescue Nunnally they were not exclusively after her alone. Kallens rescue was one of his priorities.
5.When he saved her life in the hanger and told her to "live on"
6.Shirelys death hit him so fucking hard that he abandonded his old life to keep his friends out of the crossfire. Illustrated again with the scene with Rivalz in EP 22.

Really if you don't think he did it for kallens sake theirs something seriously wrong with either you or Taniguchi for wasting so much time on the pairs relationship.
i absolutly think that he cares about her much more then he's letting on (might even be in love her)
i think this season kallen has almost replaced nunnaly in terms of being his mortality pet (not his reason for being, but shes almost a walking pet the dog moment for him)
but if this is not stated out right then its left to speculation (which again i think are rather clear)

p.s add the jacket in ep 2 and the fact he paniced when she was about to fight rolo to the list
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Old 2008-09-23, 06:58   Link #13446
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i do think that lelouch wants kallen fighting against him
not in terms of he wants her to be the one to stop him (or even wants to be stopped)
but rather he prefers that she remains the kind of woman she is rather then be corrupted by him
if he dreams of a better tomorrow then there must be people who should live in that kind of tomorrow
i think he thinks kallen is just the kind of person who would belong in it
and if this tomorrow can only be created by destroying the kind of person she is then that tomorrow wont be worth it
that might be his mind frame
And if your specualtion was true here would you be able to hate him for doing it?

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i absolutly think that he cares about her much more then he's letting on (might even be in love her)
i think this season kallen has almost replaced nunnaly in terms of being his mortality pet (not his reason for being, but shes almost a walking pet the dog moment for him)
but if this is not stated out right then its left to speculation (which again i think are rather clear)
Taniguchi does like to give open endings that have plenty of room for individual interrpretation and speculation so i wouldn't be surprised if it was the case.
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Old 2008-09-23, 07:01   Link #13447
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And if your specualtion was true here would you be able to hate him for doing it?
only if his plan gets her killed and yet he somehow lives on
then i would HATE him with a vengence
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Old 2008-09-23, 07:05   Link #13448
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only if his plan gets her killed and yet he somehow lives on
then i would HATE him with a vengence
But it wouldn't matter anyway going by your original post. If she sided with him and became a different person or fought against him and died the kallen we all know and loved would have died so the end result would be the same.
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Old 2008-09-23, 07:08   Link #13449
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But it wouldn't matter anyway going by your original post. If she sided with him and became a different person or fought against him and died the kallen we all know and loved would have died so the end result would be the same.
its nice that he thinks so highly of her
but if she dies becouse of his own personal opinion of whats best for her then that would be the final nail
i already am thinking that lelouch might end up pulling a face/heel turn (if he hasnt already) and ending up like light yagami
he already puts ideals over the lives of his loved ones
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Old 2008-09-23, 07:10   Link #13450
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its nice that he thinks so highly of her
but if she dies becouse of his own personal opinion of whats best for her then that would be the final nail
i already am thinking that lelouch might end up pulling a face/heel turn (if he hasnt already) and ending up like light yagami
he already puts ideals over the lives of his loved ones
Isn't kallen doing the same thing though putting her ideals above her love for lelouch?

Yet another similarity.
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Isn't kallen doing the same thing though putting her ideals above her love for lelouch?

Yet another similarity.
lts just hope for the best
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lts just hope for the best
Well since the general trend of EPs recently have been quite rosy, i'm expecting a huge kick in the nuts come this Sunday.
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Well since the general trend of EPs recently have been quite rosy, i'm expecting a huge kick in the nuts come this Sunday.
Nothing still happened, and you know they need their resolution.
And your lasts posts shows us that you are still a part of our ship then...go change your subtitle right now !
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I still hope the best for them. C.C. is nowhere in sight, unless she could fly, but I doubt that Geass is THAT twisted. Nunally + Kallen would slap Lelouch awake.
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either slap him awake
or seal his fate if he really is after something bad
we have all been ranting about the ED pic in the past (nunnaly with a red KOR cape around her)
and now the suzaku (in black) and lelouch (in white) together pic came true
the nunnaly one could just as well happen (with kallen as her knight)
never imagined that kallen would be protecting her from lelouch
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Lol, they have something in common. They are fighting for their brother's sake.
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Lol, they have something in common. They are fighting for their brother's sake.
kallen is fighting for lelouchs one true goal
nunnaly
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kallen is fighting for lelouchs one true goal
nunnaly
Nah, she is fighting for LELOUCH. Or in this case, the Lelouch that she learned to love
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Old 2008-09-23, 08:53   Link #13459
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Nah, she is fighting for LELOUCH. Or in this case, the Lelouch that she learned to love
well to be clear he is still the Lelouch she loves just that he is trying to push her away.
and he did a good job of that.
I am optimistic to be honest.
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Old 2008-09-23, 08:59   Link #13460
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well to be clear he is still the Lelouch she loves just that he is trying to push her away.
and he did a good job of that.
I am optimistic to be honest.
becouse things cant get much worse

naaa im actually optimistic too
but only becouse i see only three reasons why he pushed her away in ep 22
1)he loves her more then anyone else which is why he wouldnt let her be tainted by his actions while being willing to let suzaku and C.C and even nina (a friend from school) be
2)he knew from the start that if he told her the plan she would never ever agree to it (meanning its something bad, making him the villan)
3)he's pants on head retarded

options 2 and 3 are less likely
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