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Old 2008-09-23, 22:36   Link #13661
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Takes away any assurance that he had ever given her by saying that the WHOLE time he has been playing a game with her. (Delibrate)

Which he admitted in S1.

A: First, that's true, and it took her a year to shake it off that time. Second, while he admitted that he was 'using' her, he also said he was freeing the Japanese, so it didn't matter. This time, he doesn't even give her that reassurance. Third, this time it would have had more of an impact since Kallen believed that she was getting closer to the real Lelouch and that he cared for her and trusted her personally (at least much more than when he kept his true identity from her).


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Her faith is shattered when Lelouch's typical double intention becomes 'known' where he attacks a peace summit and takes hostages. Kallen, of course, has no way to know that this particular plan has a triple intention. (Delibrate)

Which he did before during the China Arc

A: True, but this time, he attacked and killed BKs and kidnapped UFN officials, the very organizations that he founded, people that were once his allies. With Tian Zi, even though he was kidnapping her, it was an attack on his enemies, the Eunechs, to prevent them from handing the BKs over to Britannia. Therefore, it looks like the BKs are his enemies this time.


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-During the battle he uses pretty underhanded techniques such as blowing up a mountain, destroying BKs and his own troops. The fact that all his troops follow him because their Geassed can't help much either (Delibrate).

Which he's done before as many people have already pointed out.

A: He's blown up a mountain (much smaller scale and not Mt. Fuji), but he never simply and delibrately ordered his troops to die. He had them occasionally go against near suicidal odds, and he certainly expected causualties, but he never just sent guys into a fight for the purpose of dying (unless you count the JLF ship, but they weren't technically his troops).

Also, he didn't Geass all his people into following him (obviously).

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She had just got out of it

the keys was still in the ignition
Even so!!! It's not like you can just hop into a KMF. There what, 25-30 ft high!!
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Old 2008-09-23, 22:54   Link #13662
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Takes away any assurance that he had ever given her by saying that the WHOLE time he has been playing a game with her. (Delibrate)

Which he admitted in S1.

A: First, that's true, and it took her a year to shake it off that time. Second, while he admitted that he was 'using' her, he also said he was freeing the Japanese, so it didn't matter. This time, he doesn't even give her that reassurance. Third, this time it would have had more of an impact since Kallen believed that she was getting closer to the real Lelouch and that he cared for her and trusted her personally (at least much more than when he kept his true identity from her).


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Her faith is shattered when Lelouch's typical double intention becomes 'known' where he attacks a peace summit and takes hostages. Kallen, of course, has no way to know that this particular plan has a triple intention. (Delibrate)

Which he did before during the China Arc

A: True, but this time, he attacked and killed BKs and kidnapped UFN officials, the very organizations that he founded, people that were once his allies. With Tian Zi, even though he was kidnapping her, it was an attack on his enemies, the Eunechs, to prevent them from handing the BKs over to Britannia. Therefore, it looks like the BKs are his enemies this time.


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-During the battle he uses pretty underhanded techniques such as blowing up a mountain, destroying BKs and his own troops. The fact that all his troops follow him because their Geassed can't help much either (Delibrate).

Which he's done before as many people have already pointed out.

A: He's blown up a mountain (much smaller scale and not Mt. Fuji), but he never simply and delibrately ordered his troops to die. He had them occasionally go against near suicidal odds, and he certainly expected causualties, but he never just sent guys into a fight for the purpose of dying (unless you count the JLF ship, but they weren't technically his troops).

Also, he didn't Geass all his people into following him (obviously).



Even so!!! It's not like you can just hop into a KMF. There what, 25-30 ft high!!
It might be parked with the cockpit at the bottom. Who knows?
But for me, Kallen is an idiot. Not a stupid idiot mind you, but an idiot that believed too much in love and in her own ideal. A good person to have by your side tho
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Old 2008-09-23, 22:57   Link #13663
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A mindracking idea: What if after Kallen defeats Suzaku, she goes up to see that Lelouch had geassed Nunnally to sleep for a bit? She then asks if Lelouch had ever geassed her, and he replies yes?
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:02   Link #13664
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A mindracking idea: What if after Kallen defeats Suzaku, she goes up to see that Lelouch had geassed Nunnally to sleep for a bit? She then asks if Lelouch had ever geassed her, and he replies yes?
Then Lelouch will be pushed over Damocles and subsequently be fished aboard by C.C..
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:03   Link #13665
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A mindracking idea: What if after Kallen defeats Suzaku, she goes up to see that Lelouch had geassed Nunnally to sleep for a bit? She then asks if Lelouch had ever geassed her, and he replies yes?
Well, that would require Kallen to beat Suzaku, which has about as much of a chance at happening as Tamaki beating Toudou.

But I imagine she'd kill him and it would in the end be revealed somehow that it was part of Lelouch's plan for someone to kill him.
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:03   Link #13666
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Then Lelouch will be pushed over Damocles and subsequently be fished aboard by C.C..
No, he's shot
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:05   Link #13667
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A mindracking idea: What if after Kallen defeats Suzaku, she goes up to see that Lelouch had geassed Nunnally to sleep for a bit? She then asks if Lelouch had ever geassed her, and he replies yes?
Well, I'm sure the unabashed honesty from him would be so shocking that Kallen would be rendered incapacitated long enough for him to be able to explain himself.
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:06   Link #13668
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Well, I'm sure the unabashed honesty from him would be so shocking that Kallen would be rendered incapacitated long enough for him to be able to explain himself.
I would say that at this point, she'll feel the ultimate betrayal and react while saying her gum line......
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:22   Link #13669
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I would say that at this point, she'll feel the ultimate betrayal and react while saying her gum line......
Well if she does ask did you geass me?.. and if he does reply yes, which is honest. and kills him....maybe she wont be hated as much...

NO don't kill him!!
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:25   Link #13670
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Well if she does ask did you geass me?.. and if he does reply yes, which is honest. and kills him....maybe she wont be hated as much...

NO don't kill him!!
I think it'll be like "YOU LIED TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" (shoots by instinct)
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:27   Link #13671
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I think it'll be like "YOU LIED TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" (shoots by instinct)
No... he never answered her question in episode 2.. he didn't say he geassed her nor did he say he didn't.. the man is sly with his words..
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:29   Link #13672
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No... he never answered her question in episode 2.. he didn't say he geassed her nor did he say he didn't.. the man is sly with his words..
Yeah he sweet talked her alright . So in order he's

1) Sweet talked her.

2) Lied to her

3) Played the silent game.

4) ???? <<<<< Hopefully is the truth.
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:30   Link #13673
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:32   Link #13674
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No... he never answered her question in episode 2.. he didn't say he geassed her nor did he say he didn't.. the man is sly with his words..
Yes, but from the prespective of Kallen, it was the same as saying "I never geassed you."



Try putting yourself in the mind of a pained girl who has to fight her beloved to bring peace to the world.
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:32   Link #13675
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Yeah he sweet talked her alright . So in order he's

1) Sweet talked her.

2) Lied to her

3) Played the silent game.

4) ???? <<<<< Hopefully is the truth.
Yup.. he has a way with his words.. but you know if she does kill him, I guess that will be her "essential role" huh?

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Yes, but from the prespective of Kallen, it was the same as saying "I never geassed you."



Try putting yourself in the mind of a pained girl who has to fight her beloved to bring peace to the world.
No, you are right, that's how she will feel.. lied to, even thought he never did..
*sigh* this better not happen...
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:34   Link #13676
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Yup.. he has a way with his words.. but you know if she does kill him, I guess that will be her "essential role" huh?
Perhaps her essential role is to activate the Code implanted in Lelouch?
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:36   Link #13677
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Perhaps her essential role is to activate the Code implanted in Lelouch?
But in was in relation to bonds... Like they explained everyone's relation with him but hers... and just said she is critical/essential as the director said that's all..
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:36   Link #13678
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Perhaps her essential role is to activate the Code implanted in Lelouch?
Wait, what!?!
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:39   Link #13679
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Wait, what!?!
*Backtracking*


Basically, I believe that Charles implanted his Code into Lelouch right before he disappeared into the World of C. The Code can only be activated when one dies, meaning that Lelouch has to die once to become immortal.
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Old 2008-09-23, 23:40   Link #13680
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I still don't see her shooting him, much less something as convoluted (though admittedly within the realm of possibility) as a dormant Code.
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