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Old 2009-12-01, 16:32   Link #4721
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Unfortunately it seems the staff is unambiguous in insisting such a transfer never'd happened 4 Lelouch.
i fail to see why this fact would be unfortunate
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Old 2009-12-01, 16:46   Link #4722
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i fail to see why this fact would be unfortunate
Because some people want him to live?
Just a guess. Could be totally wrong. I mean, it's not like it's obvious or anything. xD
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Old 2009-12-01, 16:49   Link #4723
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but LELOUCH was the one who wanted to die
the whole POINT of the plan was to try and go the "redemption equals death" route
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Old 2009-12-01, 16:58   Link #4724
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More like "I hate myself and want to die, but need the perfect, yet most over the top excuse to do so".
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Old 2009-12-01, 17:01   Link #4725
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To answer your question blade, the "unfortunately" was meant for darthfury who theorized lelouch was at a code-receiving level.
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Old 2009-12-01, 17:03   Link #4726
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but LELOUCH was the one who wanted to die
the whole POINT of the plan was to try and go the "redemption equals death" route
Who cares what Lelouch wanted?
Fans want entertainment, and Code Geass is supposed to provide it by screwing Lelouch over in every possible and impossible way. xD
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Old 2009-12-01, 17:05   Link #4727
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Who cares what Lelouch wanted?
Fans want entertainment, and Code Geass is supposed to provide it by screwing Lelouch over in every possible and impossible way. xD
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Old 2009-12-04, 15:27   Link #4728
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Lelouch had too much blood on his hands for them to karmically allow him to live. It was pretty clear after the Geass cult massacre that he was headed for a bad end.
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Old 2009-12-04, 15:55   Link #4729
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Lelouch had too much blood on his hands for them to karmically allow him to live. It was pretty clear after the Geass cult massacre that he was headed for a bad end.
By that extension there are others who should have also died, but didn't.

The true point of no return was the betrayal from the Black Knights coupled with Nunnally's apparent demise, which sent Lelouch over the Despair Event Horizon.

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Old 2009-12-04, 16:35   Link #4730
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i disagree
the true point of no return in my opinion was the opening moments of episode 22 when he uses his geass to turn about a thousand people into slaves with no limit of time or conditions

that was the point that sealed any chance of him living by the end
because that, for me at least, was the point where the show made it clear that he no longer deserved to
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Old 2009-12-04, 16:52   Link #4731
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Always thought Lelouch deserved to live. But yeah, that's me. xD

However, I never got the impression the staff thought otherwise. They said themselves that they wanted a modern hero who comes, saves everyone and then disappears without making a big deal out of it. It was never really about punishment for anyone but Lelouch himself.
Hell, he even got his personal happy ending. One of the two that were possible at one point, anyway. I also believe his death always was the more obvious outcome, right from his line about shooting and getting shot.
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Old 2009-12-04, 17:14   Link #4732
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i disagree
the true point of no return in my opinion was the opening moments of episode 22 when he uses his geass to turn about a thousand people into slaves with no limit of time or conditions

that was the point that sealed any chance of him living by the end
because that, for me at least, was the point where the show made it clear that he no longer deserved to
i go further back, to when he committed matricide 'n patricide.
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i go further back, to when he committed matricide 'n patricide.
Not to mention regicide. Just ask Macbeth!
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Old 2009-12-04, 17:18   Link #4734
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i disagree
the true point of no return in my opinion was the opening moments of episode 22 when he uses his geass to turn about a thousand people into slaves with no limit of time or conditions

that was the point that sealed any chance of him living by the end
because that, for me at least, was the point where the show made it clear that he no longer deserved to
But that was simply the means to his demise that he chose. He already lost the will to continue living on by the end of R2 19.
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Old 2009-12-04, 17:18   Link #4735
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killing his parents to stop them from carrying out their master plan is hardly something worth dying over
starting out his OWN master plan that is just as twisted on the other hand...

@azul
he said "i want a tomorrow" to stop their plan
but after the opening scene of ep 22, he no longer deserved one

P.S
i think its time we move this to another thread
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Old 2009-12-04, 17:32   Link #4736
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He wanted a tomorrow... for the world. If he wanted a tomorrow for himself, he would have never gone through with Zero Requiem. Lest we forget, the Suicide By Cop was the very capstone of the scheme he chose. It was already noted that he wanted to die, and that he acknowledged that there were other ways to stop Schneizel and bring peace to the world when Suzaku asked, but Lelouch refused them for that purpose.

P. S. Agreed.
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Old 2009-12-06, 07:35   Link #4737
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Lelouch made it clear, that now that all the hate was focused on him, he would go ahead and allow his death so that Zero's cause gets revived, and at the same time evil is destroyed in a manner which is open for the public to see. Metaphorically, he chose to be the clown, so kids can laugh.

There were others that were evil too, but no one died publicly. Lelouch took the burden upon himself to give the world a sense that justice was being enforced, and that evil will be destroyed, by giving himself a pathetic death, in front of his citizens. Cornelia, and Schneizel both survived despite so many massacres happening by their orders.

Since this is a C.C. board, I will also add that, now that she met someone like Lelouch, she will go on living, instead of trying to break away from the code. Lelouch cared for her, and promised her, that he would not let the geass take control of him, and in the end, everything was planned, rather than a geass making Lelouch insane.

Yes, Code Geass is for entertainment mostly, but it worked, with many intelligent and epic moments. Instead of having a ruthless protagonist, we got a human one, who questioned himself more than once, and who many can relate to due to his own lack of inner happiness.
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Old 2009-12-06, 07:38   Link #4738
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as i stated in the lelouch thread
none of that was necessary
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Old 2009-12-06, 07:49   Link #4739
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It was not necessary, but it was Lelouch's way. Cornelia notes that Schneizel has no desires for himself, and he would be the perfect king in a peaceful world. Even Schneizel was evil, killing people for the sake of experimentation, and gunning his own sister, because she came on his way. In that case, Nunally's effort with the group combination would be a better choice for the future.

I wonder who C.C. will give the geass to after Lelouch. Code Geass 2, ahem.
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Maybe no one because it might create more chaos post Zero Requiem.
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