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Old 2008-10-01, 10:52   Link #7541
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Guys, just let the Kallen fan think what he wants. I already dismantled all arguments by morbosfist in the mech thread that Kallen in any way "won" that fight. Just nod, smile and ignore.
fine then
lie to yourselves
the guy said he couldnt win, went at her geass flying from the start, and said that she "reached him" in the end
but i'm sure your fan wank is much more canon then what the characters say
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Old 2008-10-01, 10:54   Link #7542
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fine then
lie to yourselves
the guy said he couldnt win, went at her geass flying from the start, and said that she "reached him" in the end
but i'm sure your fan wank is much more canon then what the characters say
good bye
Nope, but the fact that Suzaku had to fake die at Kallen's hands for Zero Requiem along with the fact Kallen would have died without Gino's rescue at the end is more canon than your fan-wank.
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Old 2008-10-01, 11:39   Link #7543
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Both machines trashed, both pilots alive - I call that a draw.
Same here, you did good Knight of Zero and you accomplished the main objective by keeping Kallen away, Suzaku won the overall victory in the end
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Old 2008-10-01, 11:41   Link #7544
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I wonder whether Kallen suspects that Suzaku still lives on as Zero. I wouldn't think so, but on the other hand, who else would she think Lelouch could pick as the new Zero?
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Old 2008-10-01, 11:42   Link #7545
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Knight of Zero is dead. He lost to Kallen. Well, this is only the fact which is addressed to public . I wonder how the current Zero can command respect from the BK other than Schneizel who will to him
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Old 2008-10-01, 11:42   Link #7546
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Both machines trashed, both pilots alive - I call that a draw.
Thirded. That was a draw in my opinion too.
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Old 2008-10-01, 11:44   Link #7547
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And who else would act with such bullet dodger taijutsu apart from Sayoko? I'm believe Kallen realized who the new zero was after all.
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Old 2008-10-01, 11:45   Link #7548
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I wonder whether Kallen suspects that Suzaku still lives on as Zero. I wouldn't think so, but on the other hand, who else would she think Lelouch could pick as the new Zero?
I suspect she did, she said his name aloud about how this was what the both of them were planning when Zero appeared, and she cut Todoue off from saying who it really was as well, gives strong indication and by deduction there can only really be one person Lelouch would leave the mask of Zero too at that point as you point out. I mean, even Gino wondered about it after the battle on whether Kallen actually won after Albion exploded, so of course questions start to arise and answers aren't so hard to figure out after a while with all these pieces in front of her
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Old 2008-10-01, 11:47   Link #7549
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Not only Kallen, people like Kaguya, Toudou and Xingke would have realised. Like it or not, Zero is the saviour and he has to be given his due respect . Perhaps, no one in BK will to him like Schneizel but Zero is a symbol who will become defender of justice.
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Old 2008-10-01, 12:41   Link #7550
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I suspect she did, she said his name aloud about how this was what the both of them were planning when Zero appeared, and she cut Todoue off from saying who it really was as well, gives strong indication and by deduction there can only really be one person Lelouch would leave the mask of Zero too at that point as you point out. I mean, even Gino wondered about it after the battle on whether Kallen actually won after Albion exploded, so of course questions start to arise and answers aren't so hard to figure out after a while with all these pieces in front of her
Gino wonder if Kallen won?? i always thought that Gino was a comic and lack brain cells. i dont think that he knew that Suzaku was really Zero or alive.


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fine then
lie to yourselves
the guy said he couldnt win, went at her geass flying from the start, and said that she "reached him" in the end
but i'm sure your fan wank is much more canon then what the characters say
good bye

yeah, and i bet she thought she stopped Suzaku, i bet she thought Suzaku was dead, i bet Gino thought he she won, I bet Gino thought Suzaku was dead and I doubt that she knew what Zero R. was about.

but we all the truth afterwards Zero showed up and that she realized what she has done nothing to stop Zero R., Suzaku, or Lelouch.

Suzaku didnt say he couldnt win against her with Live Geass, he couldn't land a decisive blow but he later did and disable her from doing anything else.

live in your own fantasy world.
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Old 2008-10-01, 12:47   Link #7551
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And who else would act with such bullet dodger taijutsu apart from Sayoko? I'm believe Kallen realized who the new zero was after all.
Not really. Considering that Kallen had killed Suzaku with her own hands, there is no way she would think that the new Zero is actually Suzaku. If its not Sayoko, then it could always be another guy or girl from his forces. Its not like that there are only very few people in that era capable of taijutsu.
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Old 2008-10-01, 12:50   Link #7552
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Not really. Considering that Kallen had killed Suzaku with her own hands, there is no way she would think that the new Zero is actually Suzaku. If its not Sayoko, then it could always be another guy or girl from his forces. Its not like that there are only very few people in that era capable of taijutsu.
except that she not only figured out that it was suzaku and that he wasnt the bad guy she belived he was (she has a picture of him on her wall after all)
she even took it a step forward by insisting to toudu that it isnt suzaku but that its zero (becouse thats what the plan needed)
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Old 2008-10-01, 13:08   Link #7553
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except that she not only figured out that it was suzaku and that he wasnt the bad guy she belived he was (she has a picture of him on her wall after all)
she even took it a step forward by insisting to toudu that it isnt suzaku but that its zero (becouse thats what the plan needed)
Toudou didn't say it was Suzaku.
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Old 2008-10-01, 13:10   Link #7554
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Toudou didn't say it was Suzaku.
he said "could it be that this is" and then kallen cut him off by saying that its zero and only zero
i dont think she would have been willing to so readily except the guy who just murdered lelouch if she didnt figure it out by then (she was still crying when she said its zero)
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Old 2008-10-01, 13:13   Link #7555
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he said "could it be that this is" and then kallen cut him off by saying that its zero and only zero
i dont think she would have been willing to so readily except the guy who just murdered lelouch if she didnt figure it out by then (she was still crying when she said its zero)
I think Toudou wanted to say that it's all part of Lelouch's plan.
But Kallen said " It's Zero. Zero" meaning that it's Zero as Zero without Lelouch.
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Old 2008-10-01, 13:22   Link #7556
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I think Toudou wanted to say that it's all part of Lelouch's plan.
But Kallen said " It's Zero. Zero" meaning that it's Zero as Zero without Lelouch.
no
he says "dont tell me, that is (in japanese refering to a person)"
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Old 2008-10-01, 13:26   Link #7557
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no
he says "dont tell me, that is (in japanese refering to a person)"
Hm...Are you sure?
Well. Can't counter that. Except for saying it's not necessary means Suzaku.
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Old 2008-10-01, 13:27   Link #7558
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Well Toudou was Suzaku's teacher. He probably also saw something in his stance to help reinforce the logical conclusion.
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Old 2008-10-01, 18:52   Link #7559
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@blade: I think Suzaku won, I mean he did TRASH the Guren who is high tech.

And no, Suzaku saying "You got me." (it could mean, damn I got damaged) doesn't mean it's a win.
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Old 2008-10-01, 18:59   Link #7560
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@blade: I think Suzaku won, I mean he did TRASH the Guren who is high tech.

And no, Suzaku saying "You got me." (it could mean, damn I got damaged) doesn't mean it's a win.
and suzaku has a magical brainwashing seed mode
whats your point
besides by the time the fight ended the guren and the lancelot were pretty much even (since everything that made them different was gone)
no wings
no claw (except as a regular fist)
no varis and MVS
just two knightmares fighting with bare hands and feet
at that point the live geass was in full effect and he still admited that its not enough
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