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Old 2009-05-12, 20:35   Link #8441
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They defeated him together and V.V. willingly gave Charles his code
It wasn't willing, as C.C. indicates later on.
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Old 2009-05-13, 00:15   Link #8442
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And pretty evident otherwise, given Charles' solemn disapproval over VV's final lie.
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Old 2009-05-21, 15:06   Link #8443
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I personally liked Suzaku for a while before he became such a self-righteous jerkoff. It was always an "oh shit" sort of gig when Lelouche would be trying to fight a battle and Suzaku would roll up out of nowhere. I would have liked to see Suzaku still view Lelouche as his best friend and not be so pissed off. I realize he was mad because Lelouche basically wrecked Euphemia, but bros before hoes dude.
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Old 2009-05-21, 15:11   Link #8444
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bros before hoes doesnt apply when your "bro" murders the love of your life for no reason other then that it serves his political goals
then its bullet of justice between your former "bro"s eyes
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Old 2009-05-21, 15:39   Link #8445
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and this is all getting off topic (suzaku thread after all)
the point isnt who did kallen beat
its that suzaku didnt beat ANYONE until he join lelouch
which is very odd (even gino and anya got at least one kill)
as did gilford, and xing-ke and toudo and almost every other pilot i can think of (the key being, named characters, doesn have to be aces)
That still doesn't mean that Kallen has more skills than Suzaku, in fact. I think it's the opposite. As for the director's stupid reason of making him use Live Geass against Kallen in the last ep was pointless (should have removed it and u see it turn on and off)

If you count that, he defeated Xing Ke and Toudou (who was damaged for reasons unknown) but they wouldn't stand a chance against Suzaku if he went Dark.
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Old 2009-05-21, 15:44   Link #8446
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That still doesn't mean that Kallen has more skills than Suzaku, in fact. I think it's the opposite. As for the director's stupid reason of making him use Live Geass against Kallen in the last ep was pointless (should have removed it and u see it turn on and off)

If you count that, he defeated Xing Ke and Toudou (who was damaged for reasons unknown) but they wouldn't stand a chance against Suzaku if he went Dark.
you kind of missed the whole point of the original conversation
until suzaku joins forces with lelouch he doesnt actually defeat anyone in season 2
you picked a post from the MIDDLE of the arguemnt and missed the point of it
THIS is the original one
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something that just came to me
was there a single fight in R2 that suzaku won before getting the albion ?
i'm not questioning suzaku's skill (rather pointless, he is the main pilot)
but i dont remember suzaku going up against a single named opponent and winning until he gets the albion (in R2)
he fights kallen toudu lelouch (in the shinkiro) jeremiia and gilford at different times during the season and doesnt actually defeat any of them
whats up with that ?

the guy is possibly the greatest KMF pilot ever and yet he doesnt have a single win in his favor until he joins lelouch's side (at which point he starts making up for lost time by kicking major ass)
and i just notice this fact a few minutes ago
is it becosue of the law of conservetion of ninjitsu (as a KoR, he never fights alone) or "evil is dumb" or what ?
kallen doesnt factor into the converstaion at all

and about xing-ke and toudo
he DID go "dark" against xing-ke
and toudo's zangetsu was damaged becouse of mount fuji blowing up in his face
suzku was amazed he could even fight in that condition

not that this has anything to do with the original conversaoin (this happens after he joins lelouch)
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Old 2009-05-21, 16:36   Link #8447
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Well how many battles did Suzaku partake prior to Albion
The only ones I remember were:
- The conquest of Europe, something like that
- Ep 6, Suzaku went up against Kallen
- When Suzaku went up against Toudou in ep 11/12? forgot
- When Suzaku then got his Lancelot trashed against Guren Seiten.

Remember that the spotlight is on Lelouch and gang, Suzaku was reduced to a minor character of sorts until the later half.
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Old 2009-05-21, 16:41   Link #8448
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Suzaku beat a bunch of canon fodder up in the first half of R2, and engaged in some battles with main characters, but he didn't actually win any battles with more important named characters until after he became Knight of Zero, I think...
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Old 2009-05-21, 16:45   Link #8449
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Well how many battles did Suzaku partake prior to Albion
The only ones I remember were:
- The conquest of Europe, something like that
- Ep 6, Suzaku went up against Kallen
- When Suzaku went up against Toudou in ep 11/12? forgot
- When Suzaku then got his Lancelot trashed against Guren Seiten.

Remember that the spotlight is on Lelouch and gang, Suzaku was reduced to a minor character of sorts until the later half.
how much of a minor character was he exactly
much less characters had more wins
note that it only counts as a win if its against a named character (mooks dont count)
and for win means that the loser is out of the fight

gino got 3 wins and one kill against asahina and senba and two glasto knights
anya got one win against chiba
toudo got one technical win against suzaku
gilford got one against touco
xing-ke got one technical win against kallen
asahina chiba and C.C got a co op technical win against anya (doesnt really mean much)
kallen got a shit load of wins against suzaku (pretty much) gino anya bradly gillford and all of the glaston knights (except bart)

suzaku doesnt have any wins against any named characters until the albion
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Old 2009-05-21, 17:06   Link #8450
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I remember in Season 1 Suzaku pretty much ruined or lessened the success of most of Zero's plans with his feats in Lancelot. I count it as multiple wins against Lulu and everybody from his organization :P
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Old 2009-05-21, 17:08   Link #8451
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once again
the topic is season 2 only
from ep 1 till ep 22 when he gets the albion
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Old 2009-05-21, 17:22   Link #8452
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I remember in Season 1 Suzaku pretty much ruined or lessened the success of most of Zero's plans with his feats in Lancelot. I count it as multiple wins against Lulu and everybody from his organization :P
True, but I think we're talking about Season Two at the moment. ^^'
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Old 2009-05-22, 15:55   Link #8453
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bros before hoes doesnt apply when your "bro" murders the love of your life for no reason other then that it serves his political goals
then its bullet of justice between your former "bro"s eyes
Only as Suzaku saw it. We all know the sad truth behind the situation, even though it was easy to see where Suzaku was coming from.

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That still doesn't mean that Kallen has more skills than Suzaku, in fact. I think it's the opposite. As for the director's stupid reason of making him use Live Geass against Kallen in the last ep was pointless (should have removed it and u see it turn on and off)

If you count that, he defeated Xing Ke and Toudou (who was damaged for reasons unknown) but they wouldn't stand a chance against Suzaku if he went Dark.
Since S1 it was well established that Kallen was the superior natural talent, as she nearly defeated Suzaku in the Narita battle before the cliff collapsed right under her and caused her to land on top of and wreck her radiation claw.
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Old 2009-05-22, 17:08   Link #8454
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He totally owned her in ep 24 though, didn't he?
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Old 2009-05-22, 17:09   Link #8455
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He totally owned her in ep 24 though, didn't he?
When he could fly. Suzaku's never shown himself as better on level ground, only when he has an advantage. Also, he took out her arm, but only because she outmaneuvered him and got his arm in the first place. All he had left was his gun at that point and he had to retreat to the sky for that to be of any use.
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Old 2009-05-22, 17:32   Link #8456
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something that just came to me
was there a single fight in R2 that suzaku won before getting the albion ?
i'm not questioning suzaku's skill (rather pointless, he is the main pilot)
but i dont remember suzaku going up against a single named opponent and winning until he gets the albion (in R2)
he fights kallen toudu lelouch (in the shinkiro) jeremiia and gilford at different times during the season and doesnt actually defeat any of them
whats up with that ?

the guy is possibly the greatest KMF pilot ever and yet he doesnt have a single win in his favor until he joins lelouch's side (at which point he starts making up for lost time by kicking major ass)
and i just notice this fact a few minutes ago
is it becosue of the law of conservetion of ninjitsu (as a KoR, he never fights alone) or "evil is dumb" or what ?
You just figured that out?

Britannia went through massive villain decay in Season 2.

Why the hell do you think the Black Knights threw out Lelouch. It was because Britannia ceased to be a major threat and Taniguchi and Okouchi needed a new threat that was worthy of Lelouch. Simply put Britannia was a complete joke in season 2.
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Old 2009-05-22, 17:40   Link #8457
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He totally owned her in ep 24 though, didn't he?
A)keep in mind how much of an adventage being able to fly is
especially when the enemy has only close range attacks
B)she STILL was able to fight him pretty well by jumping from building to building
and she still took an arm off the lancelot despite it

hardly what i call "totally owned"

@Charred Knight
but still...
for the main pilot in the anime to not get ONE SINGLE WIN for that long ?
it IS pretty odd (almost every other pilot did)
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Old 2009-05-22, 18:22   Link #8458
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A)keep in mind how much of an adventage being able to fly is
especially when the enemy has only close range attacks
B)she STILL was able to fight him pretty well by jumping from building to building
and she still took an arm off the lancelot despite it

hardly what i call "totally owned"

@Charred Knight
but still...
for the main pilot in the anime to not get ONE SINGLE WIN for that long ?
it IS pretty odd (almost every other pilot did)
The competency of Britannia was one of the key differences between season 1 and season 2 of Code Geass.

With season 1, Suzaku did quite well, and Britannia was only using the occupation forces, when Britannia sent in a much larger force the Black knights where overwhelmed.

In Season 2, Britannia kept on sending some of their best pilots, and they where pathetic, the Knights of the Round where a complete joke, two of them had seconds of screen time. With Suzaku he pretty much just makes an ass of himself, and spends 2/3rd of the series getting humiliated and saying bad dialogue.
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Old 2009-05-22, 18:27   Link #8459
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i totally agree that britannia was a much greater threat in season 1
in fact, i cant remember a single case of someone (anyone) being shot down by a ward or a garath (the new frontline units)
at all
the KoR were something of a joke
and the general competence was in the gutter

but that still doesnt explain suzaku
the man is either the best or second best pilot in the entire CG verse (lets not start a war about it)
but he doesnt even take out TAMAKI until joining lelouch
i dont question his skill
which is exactly why i found that part odd
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Old 2009-05-22, 19:19   Link #8460
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It's just bad writing, Okouchi cared more about plot twists than he did about presenting Britannia as a strong opponent so all of Britannia including Suzaku got shafted.
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