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Old 2008-05-14, 00:49   Link #1161
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Did someone recently say that Lelouch was a good guy, and what he is doing is a good thing? He's the protagonist, but that doesn't necessarily make him "good" morally. Lelouch himself doesn't feel that he is "good" morally.



So, Suzaku made those exact justifications for his own actions to make himself seem like a bad guy?
Again, perspective of the audience. People have a tendency of labeling good guys and bad guys only based on the perspective they are given.
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Old 2008-05-14, 01:06   Link #1162
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Huh?

Which rules though? Whose rules? Any rules that are already in place? Japan's rules? Britannia's rules? Suzaku's rules that for some reason do not apply to Britannia?
Right now, yeah, it's Britannia. Iunno though, can you give me some examples of Britannian's not following their own rules? I can think of episode 5, the internal conflict in the purists, and Darlton cracking down on the people who were taking bribes from Kyoto. Those work against your point, though :P.

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So, those 2 criterias work only for Japanese or rebels and not his Britannian masters? Would those rules apply to the Emperor?
Eh? Those two criteria work for himself. Suzaku will always follow rules, and he will always try to protect other people who also follow the rules. Why would the Emperor or anybody else follow the principles Suzaku set up for himself?

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If it was a weak nation who invaded Japan instead of Britannia, would Suzaku still kill his father? Weak nation or strong nation, there is still hurting of innocents, so to stop the bloodshed, Suzaku needs to commit patricide?
That depends. Japan had already lost and Genbu was adopting a do or die resistance when Suzaku killed him. If it was a weaker country, that probably wouldn't be necessary, and Suzaku probably wouldn't need to do so. And besides, isn't it more to the point that Suzaku thinks killing his father is a mistake and doesn't want Lelouch to repeat his mistake?
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Old 2008-05-14, 01:13   Link #1163
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Right now, yeah, it's Britannia. Iunno though, can you give me some examples of Britannian's not following their own rules? I can think of episode 5, the internal conflict in the purists, and Darlton cracking down on the people who were taking bribes from Kyoto. Those work against your point, though :P.
Those "rules" were the standpoints of the individuals within the Purist camp and Darlton's own code. Of course they also just so happen to help the Britannian cause in general.

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Eh? Those two criteria work for himself. Suzaku will always follow rules, and he will always try to protect other people who also follow the rules. Why would the Emperor or anybody else follow the principles Suzaku set up for himself?
"Rules" are merely the boundaries that Suzaku is willing to work in. They apply only to him really. I doubt many care about what he thinks about morals until he gains a seat of administrative power, which of course is his stated goal.

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That depends. Japan had already lost and Genbu was adopting a do or die resistance when Suzaku killed him. If it was a weaker country, that probably wouldn't be necessary, and Suzaku probably wouldn't need to do so. And besides, isn't it more to the point that Suzaku thinks killing his father is a mistake and doesn't want Lelouch to repeat his mistake?
Other point is that Lelouch WANTS to make the mistake.
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Old 2008-05-14, 01:14   Link #1164
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Other point is that Lelouch WANTS to make the mistake.
If that can be considered a mistake.
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Old 2008-05-14, 01:20   Link #1165
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If that can be considered a mistake.
Didn't wanna use " ". This is the Suzaku thread after all.
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Old 2008-05-14, 01:20   Link #1166
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And besides, isn't it more to the point that Suzaku thinks killing his father is a mistake and doesn't want Lelouch to repeat his mistake?
Well, Suzaku killing his father was an implusive thing that he immediately regreted (hence why he considered it a mistake in the first place), but Lelouch have had plenty of time to consider and rethink his point and he still maintains the same resolve: he wants to kill off his father, period .
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Old 2008-05-14, 01:32   Link #1167
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I was going back through some of the pages and realized that I basically just ranted for 8 pages straight.

I apologize if I went over the top too much, and caused anyone to feel any bitterness.

I don't mean to be like Lelouch good, Suzaku bad. Or Suzaku good, Lelouch bad.

I just meant that Lelouch's thinking may be wrong, but you can see his train of thought, while Suzaku's train of thought just seems to be very random.
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Old 2008-05-14, 01:39   Link #1168
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I was going back through some of the pages and realized that I basically just ranted for 8 pages straight.

I apologize if I went over the top too much, and caused anyone to feel any bitterness.

I don't mean to be like Lelouch good, Suzaku bad. Or Suzaku good, Lelouch bad.

I just meant that Lelouch's thinking may be wrong, but you can see his train of thought, while Suzaku's train of thought just seems to be very random.
One last time, for good measure.

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Intended perspective of the audience. That is the only answer.
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Old 2008-05-14, 01:43   Link #1169
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One last time, for good measure.
Hey, at least it was fun.

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Old 2008-05-16, 19:13   Link #1170
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A Video Of What Many People Would Like To Happend To Suzaku

Here is a little AMV I made 2 years ago or so from a violent black comedy.

I'm presently very sure the following hilarious scenes is what any human being would want for that honorless, father-killing, country-selling, Nunalli-Chan manipulating mangy cur.

I present: What we all want to happen to Suzaku.

(Warning: Graphic Violent Content. Do not watch unless you are 18 years of age).

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Old 2008-05-16, 19:26   Link #1171
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Old 2008-05-16, 19:46   Link #1172
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Here is a little AMV I made 2 years ago or so from a violent black comedy.

I'm presently very sure the following hilarious scenes is what any human being would want for that honorless, father-killing, country-selling, Nunalli-Chan manipulating mangy cur.

I present: What we all want to happen to Suzaku.

(Warning: Graphic Violent Content. Do not watch unless you are 18 years of age).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nQf4Zowi3Jg
Thank you very much for that undeniable proof that all Geass fans are impartial, mature and responsible, dear. And just so you know, you =/= every other person on Earth. Have a nice day.
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Old 2008-05-16, 19:50   Link #1173
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Thank you very much for that undeniable proof that all Geass fans are impartial, mature and responsible, dear. And just so you know, you =/= every other person on Earth. Have a nice day.
Immature, guilty as charged.

And when it comes to matters of politics, one can't afford to be impartial.

Though if I may: were I truly irresponsible, would I have put the "Don't watch Unless You Are 18 Years Old" warning?

Must be the stubborn part of the immature (IE. Humorous) aspect protesting.

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Old 2008-05-16, 20:15   Link #1174
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Immature, guilty as charged.

And when it comes to matters of politics, one can't afford to be impartial.

Though if I may: were I truly irresponsible, would I have put the "Don't watch Unless You Are 18 Years Old" warning?

Must be the stubborn part of the immature (IE. Humorous) aspect protesting.

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To be honest, I have trouble believing that the images were intended as humor. Even more so, when your focus on physical violence is exactly what Sunrise described as Suzaku's most deeply ingrain trait; everything Suzaku say, no matter how harmess, needed to give out a sense of murderous intent...
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Old 2008-05-16, 20:19   Link #1175
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Though if I may: were I truly irresponsible, would I have put the "Don't watch Unless You Are 18 Years Old" warning?

Must be the stubborn part of the immature (IE. Humorous) aspect protesting.

Good Day.
Nah, if you were responsible you would not have posted that at all, since I do believe it's against the rules. And to further prove my point that you do not represent the entirety of the human race, let it be known that we have a very different notion of what humour is.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but not everyone wants Suzaku to die a most painful death.
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Old 2008-05-16, 20:25   Link #1176
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but not everyone wants Suzaku to die a most painful death.
Ok, I'm nothing big, but I'll be average sized enough to admit that I fall for the trap of using "everyone" quote "like minded individuals" out of convenience and prejudice (against what I dislike) more than anything else.

Begging your pardon.
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Old 2008-05-16, 21:09   Link #1177
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Look for the last time Suzaku isn't going to be randomly killed in a horrible act of violence. If he does die, and thats if, it will be an important scene and people in show will be sad, or at the least consider it a needless waste of life.

But yeah none of this Suzaku gets his head blown off and Lelouch laughs and spits on his corpse. Not gonna happen.
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Old 2008-05-16, 21:24   Link #1178
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Guys, there are still more than 15 episodes to play the politics game out.

I personally don't see Suzaku as a power hungry maniac. Something is driving him to do what he did. Whether he regrets it is another thing.
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Old 2008-05-16, 22:33   Link #1179
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Suzaku isn't a power hungry maniac by any means. Just someone who is willing to do whatever is needed to achieve his goals. He's actually not that different from Lelouch anymore.

And whether or not it is sad in the event he dies depends on the kind of person he ends up being in the end. I don't see him playing the loyal Knight to the Emperor for the rest of series, though it might not change till the end if it does at all. And I don't mean he joins Lelouch or something, since the chances of that are pretty low. I'm not entirely convinced he's going to die at all.
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Old 2008-05-16, 22:37   Link #1180
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Suzaku isn't a power hungry maniac by any means. Just someone who is willing to do whatever is needed to achieve his goals. He's actually not that different from Lelouch anymore.
Agreed. Posted somewhere in the speculation thread on the same thing.
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