[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Translation Project

[chronotrig]

@ghost_zero5:

Spoiler for EP7:

Thanks for spotting the 'she'. Yes, that shouldn't be there (even though it probably does make sense for her to say that, we can't let her). Keeping not only Lion but also Yasu genderless has been a big pain. Fortunately, Clair is sometimes referred to as a 'she', possibly because she's just a stand-in for Yasu.

Unfortunately, while 'they' can work as a gender-neutral, it isn't usually read as a gender-neutral.

Originally Posted by Renall

I'm more concerned about the extraordinary tackiness of using a comma as punctuation after an ellipsis, but it's faithful "translation." Plus, if I complained every time Ryukishi excessively misused ellipses I'd have a heart attack.

But seriously, what does a comma after an ellpisis even mean? "Pause, then pause slightly longer?"

Actually, we stopped using that pattern after EP5, though it looks like 1 or 2 somehow made it through to EP6. If we ever have time to re-edit older episodes, that's one of the things that's going to go.

[Renall]

Well, like I said, it's not your fault. He's the one who can't take his finger off the period key.

[ghost_zero5]

@chronotrig:

Spoiler for Re: EP7:

I am not surprised that the gender-neutral wasn't/isn't that easy because in contrast to Japanese it isn't common to call everyone by the name that often.

Btw. yeah I guess the "she" might make sense (with later parts in the Episode) but as you said, it shouldn't be there (at least not at that point in time).

Just wanted to let you know for the final patch/further patches.

You found the location without any further information? Or do I get more specific?

Unfortunately, while 'they' can work as a gender-neutral, it isn't usually read as a gender-neutral.

Yeah that is true too... I just know it is possible to use it but in most cases I find it quite confusing because normally "they" has a different meaning.

@Arcanis:
Look to chronotrig's answer and this one above. That was the "main" reason for my previous post but you are right, I guess that is how Ryuukishi did it in Ep7 (though I can't verfiy currently as my knowledge of the Japanese language is extremely limit it (for now at least).

[Matrem]

Originally Posted by ghost_zero5

I am just wondering in the current Ep7 translation patch there is this (I put in spoiler to be sure) and I am not sure if this was intended:

Spoiler for Ep7-"Mistranslation" (Not really "translation" but...) ?:

... So okay, let's say that Yasu managed to sneak it away.

.....

..., she was with me the whole time


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Is it really "she" there? I thought Yasu was supposed to stay gender-neutral throughout the episode.
Normally, if you don't know the gender, wouldn't you use "they" in modern English - definitely not "she"?

Spoiler for Ep7-"Mistranslation":

There's another one of these I think when Kumasawa was talking during "Days Enraptured" but it referred to Beatrice the 2nd watching over Yasu by making sure her child cleans up after "herself"

[chronotrig]

Originally Posted by Matrem

Spoiler for Ep7-"Mistranslation":

There's another one of these I think when Kumasawa was talking during "Days Enraptured" but it referred to Beatrice the 2nd watching over Yasu by making sure her child cleans up after "herself"

Well spotted. Found and will be fixed for the next patch.

[Matrem]

My pleasure
Anything I can do to help you guys, no matter how small, makes a warm feeling inside haha.

[lambdabern]

Thank you for your hard work witch hunt can't wait for 100% patch.

[Sorcerer of Miracles]

I've already finished the patch, the translation is superb, as always.

I've been wondering something. Do you know how many words has one episode of Umineko? (approximately of course)

I think this is the shortest episode so far, isn't it?

Best regards.

[chronotrig]

Originally Posted by Sorcerer of Miracles

I've already finished the patch, the translation is superb, as always.

I've been wondering something. Do you know how many words has one episode of Umineko? (approximately of course)

I think this is the shortest episode so far, isn't it?

Best regards.

EP7 is short for a core arc, but not by much. It's far longer than EP1 and EP2, but much shorter than EP4. Most of the games are roughly the same size, and I think we've just passed the 1 million word mark for the series as a whole.

[einhorn303]

Originally Posted by Sorcerer of Miracles

I think this is the shortest episode so far, isn't it?

Best regards.

It felt short for me, playing the 50% patch.

As the final scene ended, I thought, "Patch over? Already? ;_;"

That probably just comes from playing 6-7 hours straight, though.

[rogerpepitone]

I modified a Perl script to count up the words in each chapter:

Chapter 1: bytes 726, 878, words 138, 513.
Chapter 2: bytes 663, 287, words 126, 783.
Chapter 3: bytes 758, 546, words 146, 374.
Chapter 4: bytes 838, 049, words 161, 610.
Chapter 5: bytes 684, 563, words 131, 394.
Chapter 6: bytes 722, 078, words 140, 107.
Chapter 7: bytes 351, 321, words 68, 871.

[AuraTwilight]

Is that script just counting the translations? Because that score for Chapter 7 looks like it applies to the 50% patch.

[June 1983]

Originally Posted by rogerpepitone

I modified a Perl script to count up the words in each chapter:

Chapter 1: bytes 726, 878, words 138, 513.
Chapter 2: bytes 663, 287, words 126, 783.
Chapter 3: bytes 758, 546, words 146, 374.
Chapter 4: bytes 838, 049, words 161, 610.
Chapter 5: bytes 684, 563, words 131, 394.
Chapter 6: bytes 722, 078, words 140, 107.
Chapter 7: bytes 351, 321, words 68, 871.

Wow. For comparison's sake, I've heard Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (which wound up being the longest of all the HP books) was 168,000 words, just a little longer than EP 4. Imagine Umineko printed up and bound. O_O The series could easily rival HP in that case!

Anyway, so by this estimate, the total word count of EP 7 will be about 140,00 words -- around the same length as EP 6.

I'm still not done with the 50% patch, I don't know how you guys get through them so fast! I'm not a slow reader, but I take a lot of breaks, I guess. Plus I worked on Wednesday and Friday and couldn't read during the day. XD

edit: Okay, this reminds me. Once I got my download problems sorted out, I really loved the ease of the Hobibox download. I've never really tried to get my friends to play Umineko before because of the difficulties associated with purchasing the game, changing locale or language, installing the patch, etc -- you have to be a bit committed to the story to go through with it all, really. However I think the download version is easy enough that I could convince them now. XD One question though -- so with the Hobibox download, is changing locale or installing Japanese language support necessary? I already had my computer set up from playing EP 6, so I wasn't sure. There's nothing about it in the instructions for downloading, so perhaps not?

[chronotrig]

Originally Posted by June 1983

One question though -- so with the Hobibox download, is changing locale or installing Japanese language support necessary? I already had my computer set up from playing EP 6, so I wasn't sure. There's nothing about it in the instructions for downloading, so perhaps not?

You don't need either of those to install and run the English patch. Japanese locale is only needed if you want to run the Japanese version of the game.

[Vampe]

Originally Posted by rogerpepitone

I modified a Perl script to count up the words in each chapter:

Chapter 1: bytes 726, 878, words 138, 513.
Chapter 2: bytes 663, 287, words 126, 783.
Chapter 3: bytes 758, 546, words 146, 374.
Chapter 4: bytes 838, 049, words 161, 610.
Chapter 5: bytes 684, 563, words 131, 394.
Chapter 6: bytes 722, 078, words 140, 107.
Chapter 7: bytes 351, 321, words 68, 871.

hmm, is that the actual word count or does that include things like programcode and code to determine what style text should have?

[rogerpepitone]

That is the word count after I've trimmed out all the program code and style information.

[ElderKain]

lol, I'm already pretty far ahead then as I've read up to where it says it's the End of Patch 2

I'm looking forward to the rest ^.^ I can't wait ^.^

[crazysjd89]

Originally Posted by June 1983

Imagine Umineko printed up and bound. O_O The series could easily rival HP in that case!

Actually, it already is.

Though I have no idea if Ryukishi is the one writing this (although I think he is) or if it's someone else. Which reminds me, I still need to read it.

[Bocom]

Originally Posted by Renall

Well, like I said, it's not your fault. He's the one who can't take his finger off the period key.

As long as ellipses are in pairs, I don't care how many there are.

I hate seeing ".." or "...." etc.

[zorahk]

Originally Posted by Bocom

As long as ellipses are in pairs, I don't care how many there are.

I hate seeing ".." or "...." etc.

you mean in triplets...