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Old 2008-05-09, 16:22   Link #161
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They're all dead as of Macross 7. At least according to what I've read from other fans.
I think this is the part where I will ask, show me official proof.

Regardless, Exsedol only expressed the fact that there was an immense disparity in strength between the Zent and the Varauta, but that came from his past experiences, before SPACE WAR I. Regardless, the Varauta were eventually defeated and imprisoned.

During Space War I, Exsedol stated quite simply that there were thousands of million ship Zent fleets still in existence, and no official materials ever stated that they perished before, during or after the events of Macross 7. Again, most of them have not yet encountered or know of humans because presumably, most of them are still engaged in wars against the Supervision Army.

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Old 2008-05-09, 16:28   Link #162
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I think this is the part where I will ask, show me official proof.

Regardless, Exsedol only expressed the fact that there was an immense disparity in strength between the Zent and the Varauta, but that came from his past experiences, before SPACE WAR I. Regardless, the Varauta were eventually defeated and imprisoned.

During Space War I, Exsedol stated quite simply that there were thousands of million ship Zent fleets still in existence, and no official materials ever stated that they perished before, during or after Macross 7.

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Old 2008-05-09, 16:38   Link #163
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Actually the Varuta were liberated they were their own people.

The Protodevlin just went away.

Max was surprised that big fleets like Chlore's still existed. (Macross 7 Encore)

Also Rey's old Pink Pecker squadron (UN spacy must mave run out of names) encountered what was described as uncultured Zentradi remnants .
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Old 2008-05-09, 16:45   Link #164
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Actually the Varuta were liberated they were their own people.
I meant to say Protodevilns, my apologies.


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Max was surprised that big fleets like Chlore's still existed. (Macross 7 Encore)

Also Rey's old Pink Pecker squadron (UN spacy must mave run out of names) encountered what was described as uncultured Zentradi remnants .

Because Chlore once belonged to Baldoza's 5 million ship fleets, thus Max was surprised to see remnants of that particular fleet. It was believed that most of that particular fleet was wiped out, but the key phrase here is 'Baldoza's Fleet', singular.

Most of the 'rogue' fleets encountered by humans in near-Earth galaxy all belonged to Baldoza's Fleet. Please note that the galaxy is a big place, and the humans, although expanding, are not too excited about the idea of exposing themselves too greatly, because in theory, they could.

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Old 2008-05-09, 16:51   Link #165
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During Space War I, Exsedol stated quite simply that there were thousands of million ship Zent fleets still in existence, and no official materials ever stated that they perished before, during or after the events of Macross 7. Again, most of them have not yet encountered or know of humans because presumably, most of them are still engaged in wars against the Supervision Army.

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In fact some people mistakes speculation for facts. Large Zentradi armies are probably still out there, but most likely there are Supervision Army as large as well out there. If the Supervision Army was almost gone then the immense Zentradi fleets wouldn't be busy in skirmishes against it.
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Old 2008-05-09, 17:56   Link #166
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Is this the general Macross Frontier thread?
cause I can not find one....
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Old 2008-05-09, 18:19   Link #167
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Is this the general Macross Frontier thread?
cause I can not find one....
Nope, that'd be the Macross Frontier Generic thread. This thread is for speculating on the upcoming events in the show.
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Old 2008-05-10, 00:18   Link #168
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Nope, that'd be the Macross Frontier Generic thread. This thread is for speculating on the upcoming events in the show.
ah thank you I could not find it 0-o
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Old 2008-05-11, 07:51   Link #169
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All i can say, is VF-27....

VF-27....

Does anyone know what that is?

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Old 2008-05-12, 08:12   Link #170
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In episode 6 the guy who narrates said that the fold is an imperfect way to travel across the galaxy: why was it stated in a tv episode in general and not in a databook? Such technicalities often annoy the young viewers so it's quite strange: the only reason I see the authors did this is because of this particular is relevant to the general plot, don't you agree? And why was it said in episode 6 in particular?
I think the most likely reason is that this particular will play a huge role in the upcoming battle against the Vajra so perhaps the Vajra DOESN'T have this limit...
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Old 2008-05-12, 08:37   Link #171
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In episode 6 the guy who narrates said that the fold is an imperfect way to travel across the galaxy: why was it stated in a tv episode in general and not in a databook? Such technicalities often annoy the young viewers so it's quite strange: the only reason I see the authors did this is because of this particular is relevant to the general plot, don't you agree? And why was it said in episode 6 in particular?
I think the most likely reason is that this particular will play a huge role in the upcoming battle against the Vajra so perhaps the Vajra DOESN'T have this limit...
I think they wanted to explain fold disruptions, which is why there was no communication with Frontier and they and the Galaxy fleet had to bunny hop, instead of making one large jump.

Though I still don't understand the problem exactly. Mostly because I don't understand how Fold Space Technology works.
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Old 2008-05-12, 09:08   Link #172
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I think they wanted to explain fold disruptions, which is why there was no communication with Frontier and they and the Galaxy fleet had to bunny hop, instead of making one large jump.

Though I still don't understand the problem exactly. Mostly because I don't understand how Fold Space Technology works.
not just you. I think it's abit like Stargate, they know how to build the technology, they know how to use it. But they just don't completely understand the theory behind it.

I guess only the Protoculture can be realistically asked, unless they too just stumble upon it and also don't have a complete understanding of it, but that's hard to believe from a civilization that can make geneticially engineer organic inter-dimensional energy converter
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Old 2008-05-12, 10:24   Link #173
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I guess only the Protoculture can be realistically asked, unless they too just stumble upon it and also don't have a complete understanding of it, but that's hard to beleive from a civilization that can make geneticially engineer organic inter-dimensional energy converter
Well Gattai fansub said that it was the limit of the "Protoculture's civilization", so even the Protocuture seemed to have this problem. But anyway my doubt was about the explanation being merely useful to explaining the "fold dislocation" problem or it will have a major role in the future plot.

EDIT I looked for the fold thing on Macross Compendium and I've found this:
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A type of warp (or what is called super-light-velocity spatial displacement) navigation that can travel ultra long distances nearly instantaneously. To explain in simple terms, a fold transports a spacecraft in a very short amount of time by first swapping the location of the spacecraft with super dimension space or subspace, and then swapping the super dimension space with the space at the destination.

According to U.N. Spacy First Lieutenant Misa Hayase during Space War I (2009-2010), an hour passes in super dimension space as approximately ten days passes in normal space. The act of entering super dimension space is called a "fold in." When arriving at the destination, the act of leaving super dimension space is called a "defold" or a "fold out."
Perhaps the fold dislocation is what I put in bold. If this is true then I fear Macross Galaxy is done for.
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Old 2008-05-12, 10:44   Link #174
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Well Gattai fansub said that it was the limit of the "Protoculture's civilization", so even the Protocuture seemed to have this problem. But anyway my doubt was about the explanation being merely useful to explaining the "fold dislocation" problem or it will have a major role in the future plot.

EDIT I looked for the fold thing on Macross Compendium and I've found this:

Perhaps the fold dislocation is what I put in bold. If this is true then I fear Macross Galaxy is done for.
They captured Macross Galaxy. Right now it's a rescue mission of the defending fleet and whatever people that managed to evacuate. At this rate, we might see two colony fleets duke it out.
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Old 2008-05-12, 11:04   Link #175
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They captured Macross Galaxy. Right now it's a rescue mission of the defending fleet and whatever people that managed to evacuate. At this rate, we might see two colony fleets duke it out.
Are you referring to the ship which folded out near the scout fighters? I understood it was a SURVIVOR's ship, meaning they are the only one who managed to escape alive and there were some Vajra on that ship because they just folded out from the battlefield. I think most of Macross Galaxy is gone...
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Old 2008-05-12, 11:22   Link #176
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Given Leon and President Glass' conversation there has been a contingency of Operation M in Frontier also. Originally it was intentended for Zentradi fleets with Culture Shock by song.

After decades in the back burner Operation M found new life with the effectiveness of Nekki Basara's singing snapping pilots out of mind control and driving away the Protodevlin.

Also if spoilers are right the events of Macross Zero are public knowledge but Mr. Viller, New UN Spacy and Frontier government haven't made the connection yet with singing with the Vajra.

Ranka Lee or Sheryl Nome for Operation M.
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Old 2008-05-12, 11:22   Link #177
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If M7 is any indication, folding will also grab any near objects as well as the ship that's actually jumping.

Could be that the ship jumped just to get away and the fold snagged the near by Vajra.
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Old 2008-05-12, 11:23   Link #178
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Are you referring to the ship which folded out near the scout fighters? I understood it was a SURVIVOR's ship, meaning they are the only one who managed to escape alive and there were some Vajra on that ship because they just folded out from the battlefield. I think most of Macross Galaxy is gone...
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...5&postcount=37

Ask him about a captured Galaxy. I no longer have Gakkai's sub, but their's was alot different from I-Zs, so I don't know what is what right now.
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Old 2008-05-12, 12:57   Link #179
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Old 2008-05-12, 13:11   Link #180
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Given Leon and President Glass' conversation there has been a contingency of Operation M in Frontier also. Originally it was intentended for Zentradi fleets with Culture Shock by song.
I feel that was more a gallows humor joke about the Vajra ("Hey, why don't we try singing the bloodthirsty brainless killer insects to submission? It's worked on all the other adversaries before, lol") than any kind of real contingency plan.
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