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Old 2008-09-09, 05:32   Link #1801
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I like both girls but actually more on Ranka. I find that one sided Sheryl fans are really offensive towards the Ranka fans, but Ranka fans are like silent always.
Clearly you don't read Random Curiosities blog comments.
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Old 2008-09-09, 05:39   Link #1802
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Actually I think Alto is not good enough for both girls and that's what they're showing us now. He will probably end with do something worth the love of both of them though.
Much agreement here. We still haven't really seen Alto's "moment" as of yet, but it's close. This finale (or Season 2) may have that in store.

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I like both girls but actually more on Ranka. I find that one sided Sheryl fans are really offensive towards the Ranka fans, but Ranka fans are like silent always.
I dunno, but I think there was lively debate from both camps a few months back. Perhaps the fans are living through their respective characters a little bit *too* vicariously? I'm all for Sheryl, but I've never directed any vitriol against Ranka fans. Some of us here are probably a little more passionate about our characters, but arguing for the sake of argument, especially over fictional characters and how they are portrayed really isn't my cup of tea.
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Old 2008-09-09, 06:00   Link #1803
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Clearly you don't read Random Curiosities blog comments.
Yep, I don't read blogs at all lol, except dannychoo and such to find out latest items to get.

But the Sheryl camp felt like Haruhism back then, I was part of it, so if its similar, I will understand.
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Old 2008-09-09, 06:05   Link #1804
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Where do people get the idea that Alto isnīt good enough for Sheryl? Geeze.
We're being pessimistic.

Read what Tak said and then think about what we said. If that whole scene was for naught and everything ends up horribly wrong, he's not meant for her.

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Clearly you don't read Random Curiosities blog comments.
Quoted for truth... they're worse than the most fanatic Sheryl shippers here... and THAT'S saying something.
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Old 2008-09-09, 06:24   Link #1805
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We're being pessimistic.

Read what Tak said and then think about what we said. If that whole scene was for naught and everything ends up horribly wrong, he's not meant for her.
Yeah, well... Tak basically laid out a "What if?" scenario. Some following entries looked more like a "It is!" case.
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Old 2008-09-09, 08:02   Link #1806
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Up until recently Alto has been an object of desire by a girl and a woman and a glorified taxi. Up until recently Alto's role could have been played by any number of other male character personalities in a wide spectrum of anime. Up until recently Alto really wasn't playing a very important role in deciding the future of the series as his inaction did more then his action. He has been ping ponged back and forth between the two leading ladies and has been written into the story to seem important when in actuality he is not as important as people want to think he is. Disliking Alto is not something new. People just didn't bother vocalizing all that much. Admittedly I've been harping on Alto pretty hard for a while now, only because I think the character is shit and could have been written so much better than it has been. Of course that last sentence is going to be viewed as an attack on Alto instead of what it really means, which is the writers dropped the ball with Alto as a character.

(Do fictional character have their feelings hurt when you attack them verbally?)

Alto is now at a crossroads in the story. What he does in these last 3 episodes will determine his worth in the Macross series overall. We will all remember Sheryl, most of us fondly, and we will all remember Ranka, most of us with disdain but how many of us, a few years from now, will recall Alto with more than a passing acknowledgment that his nickname was Alto-hime because he looked like a girl and he won a girl at the end or something along those lines.

We will see in 3 episodes if Alto-hime passes beyond the realm of Supporting Character into the spotlight as an important Main Character in the scope of things. I really hope he does something big because I would like to end Season 1 at least neutral with Alto as a character.
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Old 2008-09-09, 08:12   Link #1807
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Well, kilroy0097, I don't really agree with your statement. I wouldn't slam Alto's character in comparison to the protagonists in other Macross' series... he is, hands down, the most recognizable - be it because of his physical appearance or his uncommon background (I mean, c'mon, kabuki family? That's different).
And he's steadily turning out to be quite the sympathetic character. His actions toward Ranka (granted, before episode 21) and Sheryl (specially after episode 22) show a degree of maturity that most typical anime protagonists just do not have.

Dunno, it could all go out the window in the next three episodes, but he's shaping out to be one of my favorite male leads in the Macross 'verse. Right after Ikaru and Fokker (hey, I know he wasn't a "lead", but I still rank him as such). You just can't compare him to the dude from Zero (his name totally escapes me) or Basara (sorry, Basara fans). And the guys from Plus are on a different scale altogether (not a clear cut winner, there).
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Old 2008-09-09, 08:19   Link #1808
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wtf... is sheryl drunk? o.O
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Old 2008-09-09, 08:22   Link #1809
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wtf... is sheryl drunk? o.O
Well, if you were dying, wouldn't you want to get smashed at least once?
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Old 2008-09-09, 08:24   Link #1810
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wtf... is sheryl drunk? o.O
Sheryl in her 'Stardate' outfit FTW!

(sigh, please don't die on us)

Alto conversing with Leon FTL
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Old 2008-09-09, 08:24   Link #1811
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One for me and one for me and one for me and one for me. Guessing she gets smashed while waiting for Alto to come back... since he doesn't... since he goes of to think after the "amazing" revelation from Leon. (It's real hair, it's not a wig!!!)

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Old 2008-09-09, 08:25   Link #1812
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wtf... is sheryl drunk? o.O
Well, at least she looks happy for once. Which hasn't happened in a long time.
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wtf... is sheryl drunk? o.O
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Old 2008-09-09, 08:29   Link #1814
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Well, at least she looks happy for once. Which hasn't happened in a long time.
Alcohol, the happy juice.

At least she isn't a sad or angry drunk.
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Old 2008-09-09, 08:29   Link #1815
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She looks like a happy drunk. That could be the answer. Any time she copes an attitude, hold her down, put a funnel in her mouth, and pour in a couple Long Island Ice Teas.

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(Do fictional character have their feelings hurt when you attack them verbally?)
Yes, but only by proxy.
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Old 2008-09-09, 08:31   Link #1816
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She looks like a happy drunk. That could be the answer. Any time she copes an attitude, hold her down, put a funnel in her mouth, and pour in a couple Long Island Ice Teas.
I know quite a few people on whom I would consider trying that.
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Old 2008-09-09, 08:34   Link #1817
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Yep, I don't read blogs at all lol, except dannychoo and such to find out latest items to get.

But the Sheryl camp felt like Haruhism back then, I was part of it, so if its similar, I will understand.
isnt dannychoo the shibuya storm trooper dancer

anyways

sheryl isnt like haruhiism in that sheryl is just totally awesome, without god involved lol.

if alto got sheryl drunk, this series will get an automatic 150% rating from me
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Old 2008-09-09, 08:39   Link #1818
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Well, kilroy0097, I don't really agree with your statement. I wouldn't slam Alto's character in comparison to the protagonists in other Macross' series... he is, hands down, the most recognizable - be it because of his physical appearance or his uncommon background (I mean, c'mon, kabuki family? That's different).
And he's steadily turning out to be quite the sympathetic character. His actions toward Ranka (granted, before episode 21) and Sheryl (specially after episode 22) show a degree of maturity that most typical anime protagonists just do not have.

Dunno, it could all go out the window in the next three episodes, but he's shaping out to be one of my favorite male leads in the Macross 'verse. Right after Ikaru and Fokker (hey, I know he wasn't a "lead", but I still rank him as such). You just can't compare him to the dude from Zero (his name totally escapes me) or Basara (sorry, Basara fans). And the guys from Plus are on a different scale altogether (not a clear cut winner, there).

oh cmon about basara, if my rockband/guitar hero skills translated into my ability to save the universe while parachuting into my concerts, that would be sick.

basara is not realistic at all, but is a totaly ba.

STARDATE OUTFIT, omg yes

sry for double post got excited.
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Old 2008-09-09, 08:50   Link #1819
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basara is not realistic at all, but is a totaly ba.
A what? Seriously, I have no idea what you said, here.
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Old 2008-09-09, 09:00   Link #1820
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Yep, I don't read blogs at all lol, except dannychoo and such to find out latest items to get.

But the Sheryl camp felt like Haruhism back then, I was part of it, so if its similar, I will understand.
Love triangles always get rather nasty, no matter what side you're on. Generalizations like the type that you made earlier aren't all that uncommon either; fans of one character inevitably end up complaining about fans of the other. You'll always find people who are aggressive as a means of resolving their own feelings of uncertainty towards the character; I've seen more than I count on both sides of the fence.

Personally, I prefer to evaluate how a fanbase supports its character in terms of the ideas that it produces. More specifically, it's the process of thoroughly exploring the character/pairing, in order to get down to the essence of what makes it wonderful to watch. It's a simple enough process, but people often get so caught up with trying to "win" that they lose sight of the character.

It's a bit unfortunate, but it seems that Ranka's been rather neglected in that sense. Not that it's hard to change that, of course, so long as someone is passionate enough to make the effort.
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