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Old 2008-04-23, 18:00   Link #21
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hmmm, I think you are jumping the gun too fast, first of, it was never stated that the Uchihas could not overpower the senju clan (remember we are talking about the clan as a whole and not about individuals), they just combined forces for a common goal, or at least that is what I understand.
For me, after talking about Uchiha suppressing every other clan, and then, joining with Senju, suggests that Uchiha didn't want to fight a battle that would decide no winner or winner with no power left. That is if they have never fought before. If they fought and joined after observing each other's power would suggest again a similar kind of conclusion. They are both strong and at or around equal levels.

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Also, the part about not surviving, we have to see, it could be what I have been saying about been a rare ability (and one on the brink of extinction), thus only by that time 3 or 4 users existed, whereas the Uchihas DNA was strong enough to pass the Shairgan info to its descendants, or maybe there was one really big war, were all of the Mokuton users were killed, surviving only Shodaime…
That is the part I don't like. Too many ifs just to reach a simple conclusion that would have easily been managed by creating other strong users with that ability that would make us believe that what he is (supposedly) telling is credible, at the least making another member of Tsunade's family carrying that ability.

Can you imagine at maybe the height of Senju's power, their bloodline ability is depleted with their last leader? Whereas, Uchiha surviving and achieving this with a lot of bloodline carrying members. Maybe not thousand, but at least tens.
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Old 2008-04-23, 18:23   Link #22
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so... how many more months would it be before we stop hearing about the Uchihas?
Until the manga ends assuming there is no spin-off.
Then again if you didn't get it by now whereas the Sharingan and the Uchiha have been the only driving force of the story along with Naruto becoming Hokage/saving Sasuke it seems doubtful you are ever going to understand.

Anyway the spoiler about Madara and Shodai is the real one.
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Old 2008-04-23, 19:25   Link #23
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That seems to be false, from all we have heard wood was strictly a first hokage move not a clan capability.
Lol I personally don't believe it just posted what I found.

Edit: whoop[s never mind seems to be confirmed now.
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Old 2008-04-23, 19:33   Link #24
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Can you imagine at maybe the height of Senju's power, their bloodline ability is depleted with their last leader? Whereas, Uchiha surviving and achieving this with a lot of bloodline carrying members. Maybe not thousand, but at least tens.
Well, there could be a great deal of environmental issues involved (i.e. mothers are the carrier of a great deal of "our" genetic information, maybe a lot of the Senju women died off, or maybe only sons were born, etc.). Or, it can be as simple as elemental bloodlines are much harder to "pass on" than body bloodlines (such as a doujutsu). What we do know is that doujutsu clans have always had a great many bloodline inheritors, but all of the elemental affinity bloodlines have a relatively low number of inheritors (this can be seen from conversations involving Haku, third Kazekage, and the Shodai). So, in the end, the lack of Wood users is not that strange.

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Old 2008-04-23, 20:05   Link #25
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What we do know is that doujutsu clans have always had a great many bloodline inheritors, but all of the elemental affinity bloodlines have a relatively low number of inheritors (this can be seen from conversations involving Haku, third Kazekage, and the Shodai). So, in the end, the lack of Wood users is not that strange.
I thought Haku's bloodline wasn't scarce due so much to the fact that the ability was rarely inherited but the fact that the Mist village killed off people with the bloodline and those that did have it (like Haku's mother) hid it in fear of being hunted. On the other hand, Rinnegan is a doujutsu so rare that appears to be regarded as a myth by most shinobi.


Anyhoo, Any guesses as to why Madara is beginning his explanation of Itachi with the founding of Konoha?

Maybe he's going to try to play spin doctor and make Shodai seem like the bad guy, someone who was corrupt and took advantage of the Uchiha Clan. And the noble Uchiha Madara had no choice but face him in battle (for the good of the clan, of course) but failed. Would Sasuke actually fall for that?
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Old 2008-04-23, 20:05   Link #26
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his wasn't a Bloodline Limit it was merely a technique only ever inherent to him and has never been copied or passed on it was in no way a bloodline limit
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Old 2008-04-23, 20:30   Link #27
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No more about the Uchiha Clan, please God I'm begging you. For a group that now only has two members left, they get too much attention. Where the heck is the stuff about people we actually care about? Well, Madara is cool, but Sasuke.... well, you can guess that my opinion of him is not good.


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Old 2008-04-23, 20:33   Link #28
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What we do know is that doujutsu clans have always had a great many bloodline inheritors, but all of the elemental affinity bloodlines have a relatively low number of inheritors (this can be seen from conversations involving Haku, third Kazekage, and the Shodai). So, in the end, the lack of Wood users is not that strange.
Shodai's clan is a clan of wood users, a clan that is strong enough to withstand the great Uchiha clan. This clan does not seem to be among the set of the crappiest of the crappiest bloodline ones like Haku's or Kimimaro's. The successors of that clan have survived till today without losing a lot in their strength over the years.

And, I have never heard a clan of magnetic sand users. So the comparison regarding sand's 3rd kazekage cannot reach and go beyond what you can think of a valid discussion starting point based on the non-existent information we have on him.
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Old 2008-04-23, 20:46   Link #29
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Until the manga ends assuming there is no spin-off.
Then again if you didn't get it by now whereas the Sharingan and the Uchiha have been the only driving force of the story along with Naruto becoming Hokage/saving Sasuke it seems doubtful you are ever going to understand.

Anyway the spoiler about Madara and Shodai is the real one.
Yeah... I know... I'm just starting to wonder why this series is called Naruto and not Sasuke.. or Uchiha
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Old 2008-04-23, 20:50   Link #30
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so konoha was evil from the start eh? all hail akatsuki now...
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Old 2008-04-23, 20:51   Link #31
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Anyhoo, Any guesses as to why Madara is beginning his explanation of Itachi with the founding of Konoha?

Maybe he's going to try to play spin doctor and make Shodai seem like the bad guy, someone who was corrupt and took advantage of the Uchiha Clan. And the noble Uchiha Madara had no choice but face him in battle (for the good of the clan, of course) but failed. Would Sasuke actually fall for that?

I would find it interesting if Kishimoto pulled up a story in which both sides had good intentions, but different view points, and so one tried to kill off the other as a "ends justify the means" kind of thing - these situations are more interesting to discuss and think about, since there is no absolutely wrong or right side.
I could compare it to a Death Note kind of scenario, in which I agree with both sides (the "kill the bad guys" and the "you don't have the right to say what is right or wrong as if you were a god"), but I don't think Kishimoto would pull that off.
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Old 2008-04-23, 21:08   Link #32
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No, more like he's at the bottom of a swamp or whateva
Pa-toad is currently returning to the head sage to pass on the code that jiraya left.
correct, last we saw of his body, it was sinkin down into the water, pa booked it before pain nailed is ass
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Old 2008-04-23, 21:18   Link #33
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And, I have never heard a clan of magnetic sand users. So the comparison regarding sand's 3rd kazekage cannot reach and go beyond what you can think of a valid discussion starting point based on the non-existent information we have on him.
LOL, you do not have to be in a clan to have a bloodline, it is simply a mutation, a strange one, but still a mutation none the less. I will agree that the Iron-Sand Techniques are questionable as a bloodline trait (i.e. if they are a combination of Earth and Lightning), but it is a strong possibility. Besides that, any commments regarding the Iron-Sand techniques has nothing to do with my main point concerning the Senju and the Uchiha, so I am not sure why others are griping about the brief comparisson.

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besides all that, Madara telling Sasuke of the history of Konoha seems a little...irrelevant. Oh well, at least we get to see if Shodai really did defeat Madara are not (please, oh please, let a non-Uchiha be able to defeat an Uchiha.)

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Old 2008-04-23, 21:38   Link #34
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If Madara's evil plans have started during the establishment of Konoha, then Konoha's history becomes very important since we can learn highly critical information about Madara, his clan's relationship to Kyuubi and other sacred creatures, or whatever, and how Madara became the way he is right now. Of course that is just the first few about Madara. There should be a lot to say on the other founding members and clans of Konoha, who may also have a decisive impact on Madara and the other negligible members of the Uchiha clan.
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Old 2008-04-23, 22:22   Link #35
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What now?

Sasuke follows Madara

Sasuke follows itachi's path/plan

Sasuke follows naruto, maybe after some hardknock from him

either way sasuke more or less can't choose his own way(path) to sort out the uchiha's destiny since he lacks power to bring down madara on his own.
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Old 2008-04-23, 22:28   Link #36
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awww i liked the shunsui story
it had the wtf factor that would have spawned 23 pages to controversy and flaming and boastful commetns from LoU
oh well, shodai and Co. will have to do
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Old 2008-04-23, 22:48   Link #37
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What now?

Sasuke follows Madara

Sasuke follows itachi's path/plan

Sasuke follows naruto, maybe after some hardknock from him

either way sasuke more or less can't choose his own way(path) to sort out the uchiha's destiny since he lacks power to bring down madara on his own.
in sasukes current state he cant bring anyone down heh

madara will probably use sasuke for "the machine" im bettin cause of his eyes. itachi was probably the first candidate buuuut his eyes were failing so they got a spare.
w/e i hope sasuke dies.....hebi too Kisame FTW!!!
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Old 2008-04-24, 00:17   Link #38
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Can you imagine at maybe the height of Senju's power, their bloodline ability is depleted with their last leader? Whereas, Uchiha surviving and achieving this with a lot of bloodline carrying members. Maybe not thousand, but at least tens.

That I do understand, the writer not been fair enough and extinguish the Mokuton bloodline whereas the Sharingan trait was passed on with no problem.

However, and there is no real point to go around in this as we already talked about it before, is that for me, I find more credible that there were more users in mokuton besides Shodai, than just Shodai been the only one with this ability in the entire history.

Either way, Is the spoiler that talked about the Senju clan as the Clan of the wood ability the one that was confirmed as real?
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Old 2008-04-24, 01:28   Link #39
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Hunter said it was.

As for how unfair it is, I don't think that's the point. As shown with Haku, the First, and perhaps the Iron-Sand, it is possible that element bloodlines rely on fragile mutation genes.

The fact that doujutsus relying on eye bloodlines seem to prosper certainly seems like an indication that eye-related bloodlines seem to be a dominant part of the genetic code.

Body bloodlines such as Sakon's and Kimimaro's seem to be just as fragile as element-bloodlines.
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