Saimoe 2008 Pre-Discussion

[DragoonKain3]

I personally rarely go to the synchroom for ISML, as I can glean over much of the info I need just from browsing the main page.

For the other Saimoe tourneys on the other hand, it's pretty darn useful as it pretty much condenses the results, matches, or whatnot in an easy to read format. (I'm especially looking at J-moe, since 2chan is pretty hectic) Believe me, Psieye's website was my best friend during the main tourneys, as it was very VERY useful for people like me.

[KaneDragon]

Originally Posted by KholdStare

I volunteer to help with synchroom for Saimoe too if Psieye and company doesn't mind.

But does anyone even check synchroom for ISML?

I didn't even know synchroom was covering ISML until minhtam2448's post just now. But then, I don't follow the main ISML site or thread, either, with all the talk of jewels, ranking, and whatnot...

[minhtam1638]

Originally Posted by KaneDragon

I didn't even know synchroom was covering ISML until minhtam2448's post just now. But then, I don't follow the main ISML site or thread, either, with all the talk of jewels, ranking, and whatnot...

Yeah, it's no longer like the days in which you win eight or so matches and you just become "champion". Now we have concepts like tiaras, necklaces, and a whole lot more.

[ando]

The schedule of nomination:

6/22　　　 　 　 　 "ア" column
6/23　　　 　 　 　 "カ" column
6/24　　　 　 　 　 "サ" column
6/25　　　 　 　 　 "タ" and "ナ" column
6/26　　　 　 　 　 "ハ" column
6/27　　　 　 　 　 "マ", "ヤ", "ラ" and "ワ" column
6/28～6/29　　　 break(2 days)
6/30～7/01　　　 additional nomination(2 days)
7/02　 　　 　 　 　drawing for the first preliminary

Is it about time to create the thread for Anime Saimoe Tournament 2008?

[wontaek]

Originally Posted by ando

The schedule of nomination:

6/22　　　 　 　 　 "ア" column
6/23　　　 　 　 　 "カ" column
6/24　　　 　 　 　 "サ" column
6/25　　　 　 　 　 "タ" and "ナ" column
6/26　　　 　 　 　 "ハ" column
6/27　　　 　 　 　 "マ", "ヤ", "ラ" and "ワ" column
6/28～6/29　　　 break(2 days)
6/30～7/01　　　 additional nomination(2 days)
7/02　 　　 　 　 　drawing for the first preliminary

Is it about time to create the thread for Anime Saimoe Tournament 2008?

Please name it using more generic terms like 2008 Moe Tournament as I believe it needs to cover both Japanese Saimoe and Korean Best Moe, unless the AnimeSuki administrators would like us to split the thread this time.

[KaneDragon]

Originally Posted by ando

Is it about time to create the thread for Anime Saimoe Tournament 2008?

Seems too soon... It'd be a duplicate of this thread until nominations actually started.

Originally Posted by wontaek

Please name it using more generic terms like 2008 Moe Tournament as I believe it needs to cover both Japanese Saimoe and Korean Best Moe, unless the AnimeSuki administrators would like us to split the thread this time.

Generics... =/ There's merit to that, but I don't like it, since the voting instructions, match discussions, and so forth are all separate. Yeah, they're both moe tournaments, but still.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by wontaek

Please name it using more generic terms like 2008 Moe Tournament as I believe it needs to cover both Japanese Saimoe and Korean Best Moe, unless the AnimeSuki administrators would like us to split the thread this time.

Wotank, pm one of the mods and ask them if you can make a seperate thread.

personally i prefer 2 different ones

[minhtam1638]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Wotank, pm one of the mods and ask them if you can make a seperate thread.

personally i prefer 2 different ones

Actually, wontaek, let me help you out in that. With so many moe tournaments around out there, I think it's time we create a subforum for Saimoé. Why don't we come up with something, then present it to Klashikari (the moderator mostly leaning toward our side), and we can make this work out.

[EternalNite]

2 diffferent threads will b good. One for Korean one for Japanese, so ppl wont get mixed up.

[KaneDragon]

Originally Posted by minhtam2448

With so many moe tournaments around out there, I think it's time we create a subforum for Saimoé.

Insufficient number of tournaments people are interested in, I would think. There's only so many threads you can create before things just start repeating and people get tired of following yet another tournament. The Korean and Japanese tournaments are big enough and distinct enough in implementation (voting mechanism, tournament structure, ...) to justify separate threads. Are there any other tournaments that can compare? If there are other competitions people care about, maybe you can create a fourth "Moe competitions (other)" and be done with it. Four threads (Japan, Korea, International, other) isn't that excessive, is it?

[minhtam1638]

Originally Posted by KaneDragon

Insufficient number of tournaments people are interested in, I would think. There's only so many threads you can create before things just start repeating and people get tired of following yet another tournament. The Korean and Japanese tournaments are big enough and distinct enough in implementation (voting mechanism, tournament structure, ...) to justify separate threads. Are there any other tournaments that can compare? If there are other competitions people care about, maybe you can create a fourth "Moe competitions (other)" and be done with it. Four threads (Japan, Korea, International, other) isn't that excessive, is it?

If anything, we can make it a restricted forum, as in moderators are the only ones allowed to create threads, but that is for them to decide.

[KaneDragon]

Originally Posted by minhtam2448

If anything, we can make it a restricted forum, as in moderators are the only ones allowed to create threads, but that is for them to decide.

But what I'm saying is, it seems like a waste of space to have a subforum with only four threads. And I don't think many mods would want to go to the trouble of deciding whether or not some random new tournament is worth creating a new thread for. Any other threads would just sit there ignored anyway.

[Ithekro]

The threads from previous years Saimoes and related competitions could be added to the subforum.

[Eater of All]

Though my words don't hold much weight, I actually support what KaneDragon said.

He supports the seperate thread thing for Korea/Japan, but making a whole new subforum just for Saimoe-related matters is still a bit too much. For ISML, it might still be possible that we are able to squeeze in different threads for different aspects for organization (ie Graphic matters, or Technicalties, or whatever). Yet we don't control Japan/Korea's tournaments, and the most we can do is make a thread for discussion and another for campaigning.

[qtipbrit]

While I agree that a separate thread would make it easier to isolate the Saimoe-related threads, keep in mind that this is the General Anime forum, and the previous Saimoe thread and current ISML thread are the two largest threads, so it wouldn't be necessary to keep them isolated, being that they'd always be on the front page.

And I'm not sure if I'm for a thread for both K SaiMoe and J SaiMoe, since while it would be easier to discuss each one, I'd have to jump back and forth a lot.

[minhtam1638]

Originally Posted by KaneDragon

But what I'm saying is, it seems like a waste of space to have a subforum with only four threads. And I don't think many mods would want to go to the trouble of deciding whether or not some random new tournament is worth creating a new thread for. Any other threads would just sit there ignored anyway.

While I would agree with this statement if we are talking about just Korea, Japan, and International, keep in mind that I am seriously thinking about moving the official International Saimoe forums to AnimeSuki, and Klashikari has said that he is willing to work with me on it provided I cover all aspects of this issue. So the sub-forum won't be just four-threads as you stated, as it will be filled with different areas of staff work on ISML.

Speaking of which, doesn't K Saimoe start today?

[Eater of All]

a). If the workspace that a subforum provides is necessary for better ISML efficiency, and because a subforum only including ISML and not the other Saimoes would be kind of irrational, then +1 to subforum.

b). If Samoe-related matters are clogging the General Anime section, then a +1 to subforum as well.

c). The subforum (if ensued) can serve as a central meeting place for all that would want to talk about Saimoe. Perhaps a sticky on history/what it is would sound nice as well. Basically, "Saimoe? Here."

[KaneDragon]

Originally Posted by minhtam2448

I am seriously thinking about moving the official International Saimoe forums to AnimeSuki, and Klashikari has said that he is willing to work with me on it provided I cover all aspects of this issue. So the sub-forum won't be just four-threads as you stated, as it will be filled with different areas of staff work on ISML.

...Why does International get so many threads on "staff work"? What do you mean by staff work? What other kinds of threads would be in this proposed subforum?

[wontaek]

Originally Posted by minhtam2448

While I would agree with this statement if we are talking about just Korea, Japan, and International, keep in mind that I am seriously thinking about moving the official International Saimoe forums to AnimeSuki, and Klashikari has said that he is willing to work with me on it provided I cover all aspects of this issue. So the sub-forum won't be just four-threads as you stated, as it will be filled with different areas of staff work on ISML.

Speaking of which, doesn't K Saimoe start today?

Korean Best Moe starts on July 2nd with the first preliminary match scheduled for July 10th. They are discussing about the finer details so there is a chance that some dates may be modified.

Spoiler for Korean Best Moe Schedule in Korean:

http://anizone.net/main.php#acts/Thr...alCategories=0

최고모에토너먼트 세부 일정
* 해당 일정은 KST 기준입니다.

• 2008년 7월 2일 - 참가 캐릭터 1차 예선 대진표 발표. 참가 캐릭터 정정기간 시작.
• 2008년 7월 10일 - 1차 예선 대진표 확정. 참가 캐릭터 정정기간 종료.
• 2008년 7월 12일 00:00 - 1차 예선 경기 시작.
  1차 예선은 총 96조로 이루어지며 하루에 8조씩 경기가 이루어집니다. (총 12일간 진행)
  각 조에서 최대 3명까지 투표 가능하며 3위까지 진출합니다.
• 2008년 7월 23일 23:30 - 1차 예선 경기 종료.
• 2008년 7월 25일 00:00 - 2차 예선 경기 시작.
  2차 예선은 총 288명이 대결하며, 1조당 6명으로 상위 2명이 진출합니다.
  총 48조로 하루에 4조씩 경기가 이루어집니다. (총 12일간 진행)
• 2008년 8월 5일 23:30 - 2차 예선 경기 종료.
• 2008년 8월 7일 00:00 - 3차 예선 경기 시작.
  3차 예선은 총 96명이 대결하며, 1조당 4명으로 상위 2명이 진출합니다.
  총 24조로 하루에 3조씩 경기가 이루어 집니다. (총 8일간 진행)
• 2008년 8월 14일 23:30 - 3차 예선 경기 종료.
• 2008년 8월 16일 00:00 - 패자 부활전 경기 시작.
  패자부활전 참여자는 3차 예전 탈락자 48명과, 2차 예선 탈락자 192명, 그리고 1차 예선 경기 4,5위 2명씩 192명이 참여합니다
  총 16조로 한조당 27명으로 이루어지며, 조당 상위 1명이 본선에 진출하게 됩니다. 하루에 2경기씩 해서 8일간 진행됩니다.
• 2008년 8월 23일 23:30 - 패자 부활전 경기 종료.
• 2008년 8월 26일 00:00 - 본선 64강 경기 시작.
  총 4인 1조로 상위 2명이 진출. 총 16조. 하루에 2경기씩 총 8일간 진행됩니다.
• 2008년 9월 2일 23:30 - 본선 64강 경기 종료.
• 2008년 9월 4일 00:00 - 본선 32강 경기 시작.
  1:1 대결. 총 16조 하루에 2경기씩 총 8일간 진행됩니다.
• 2008년 9월 11일 23:30 - 본선 32강 경기 종료.
• 2008년 9월 12일 ~ 16일 - 추석 휴식 기간
• 2008년 9월 17일 00:00 - 본선 16강 경기 시작.
  1:1 대결 총 8조 하루 1경기씩 총 8일간 진행됩니다.
• 2008년 9월 24일 23:30 - 본선 16강 경기 종료.
• 2008년 9월 26일 00:00 - 본선 8강 경기 시작.
  1:1 대결 총 4조 하루 1경기씩 총 4일간 진행됩니다.
• 2008년 9월 29일 23:30 - 본선 8강 경기 종료.
• 2008년 10월 1일 00:00 - 본선 4강 경기 시작.
  1:1 대결 총 2조 하루 1경기씩 총 2일간 진행됩니다.
• 2008년 10월 2일 23:30 - 본선 4강 경기 종료.
• 2008년 10월 4일 00:00 ~ 10월 6일 00:00 - 결승전.

하비 수춘

[OverFunk]

Originally Posted by ando

The schedule of nomination:

6/22　　　 　 　 　 "ア" column
6/23　　　 　 　 　 "カ" column
6/24　　　 　 　 　 "サ" column
6/25　　　 　 　 　 "タ" and "ナ" column
6/26　　　 　 　 　 "ハ" column
6/27　　　 　 　 　 "マ", "ヤ", "ラ" and "ワ" column
6/28～6/29　　　 break(2 days)
6/30～7/01　　　 additional nomination(2 days)
7/02　 　　 　 　 　drawing for the first preliminary

Can you explain how that is supposed to work?

Also, do you know if this one qualifies? I don't know the stance towards doujin animu there is...