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Moczo · 2010-11-23, 08:07

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Originally Posted by willyvereb

There's only one connection: Zelretch
He's mentioned in the Tsukihime prolouge and has a cameo appearance in FSN.
Nothing more than that.
Also it seems FSN took place in 2000, not 2004 as we guessed. I don't know if it's true to Tsukihime as well. I guess instead of the release date, TM choose the start of the game's development.

Wasn't Tsukihime also the first mention of the Church Executors and the Burial Agency? Seeing Ciel in action helps explain Kotomine's awesomeness a bit.

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Originally Posted by Haak

I want to play Tsukihime but I'd rather wait for it's re-release. I've looked at it and the drawings look really bad.

Well... it only covers Arcueid's route, but the manga is actually quite excellent, if you don't want to wait for a re-release that could come God-knows-when.

And yeah the drawings aren't all that great, but it's really more about the story, anyway. The text is what matters.

DragoZERO · 2010-11-23, 08:10

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Originally Posted by LostHanyou

Tsukihime is amazing. You won't regret reading it. Just don't watch the anime.

Too late... yeah, lol.

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Originally Posted by willyvereb

There's only one connection: Zelretch
He's mentioned in the Tsukihime prolouge and has a cameo appearance in FSN.
Nothing more than that.
Also it seems FSN took place in 2000, not 2004 as we guessed. I don't know if it's true to Tsukihime as well. I guess instead of the release date, TM choose the start of the game's development.

Time of development makes sense too.

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Originally Posted by Haak

I want to play Tsukihime but I'd rather wait for it's re-release. I've looked at it and the drawings look really bad.

What do you mean they look really bad? It's the first one man, you can't expect perfection.

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Originally Posted by Moczo

Well... it only covers Arcueid's route, but the manga is actually quite excellent, if you don't want to wait for a re-release that could come God-knows-when.

So there is no release date for the new one?

Moczo · 2010-11-23, 08:30

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

So there is no release date for the new one?

They've announced that they're making one, and confirmed that it will have new artwork and sound (along with heavily hinting at a new route; that will make six routes! How come FSN only got three, again?). But they have not yet, as far as I can find, stated what the release date is, whether it will have voice acting this time, and whether or not the erotic content will still be included.

DragoZERO · 2010-11-23, 08:48

Psh, I'll play the current version then. There is no telling how long it will take, especially when it was announced recently. This kind of thing takes years to make.

And yes, having more route in Fate would have been nice. I guess we would have gotten an Illya and Taiga route?

RadiantBeam · 2010-11-23, 09:06

Ilya, Taiga, Rider, Ayako...

*shot repeatedly*

Cherry_Lover · 2010-11-23, 09:32

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Originally Posted by Moczo

They've announced that they're making one, and confirmed that it will have new artwork and sound (along with heavily hinting at a new route; that will make six routes! How come FSN only got three, again?).

Well, it's somewhat difficult to have that many routes in a VN based around a war between seven masters and seven servants (including the bad guys, of course). A relationship with an enemy servant is pretty much out due to the mechanics of the war, and it's difficult to envisage a route based around an ordinary person. The only other route they could plausibly have done would be an Ilya route (Rider is out because of her devotion to Sakura, and Caster is just too evil, really), and it's possible that, were there to be a FSN remake, Ilya would indeed get a route of her own. The sixth route will almost certainly be a Sacchin route, which isn't surprising given that her lack of a route has now become an internet meme....

willyvereb · 2010-11-23, 10:47

To FSN's defense, the 3 routes look drastically different. While in Tsukihime you have the Near Side and Far Side branches. The 5 routes are packed into that two groups and they have little differences till the middle.
To be short, in Tsukihime the routes are generally only add to specific heroine's development while in FSN each route is essentially a different set of story.

Also as an avid Ciel/Hisui fan I am against just reading the manga. The manga is an amped up version of Arc's route with some addition from the other heroines' backstory and original material. I don't think Tsukihime VN is ugly. Yes, low on effects and old-style BGM but I think it's fine. Not as revolutionary as FSN but the solid plot is more than enough compensation for that.

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Originally Posted by Moczo

Wasn't Tsukihime also the first mention of the Church Executors and the Burial Agency? Seeing Ciel in action helps explain Kotomine's awesomeness a bit.

Indeed. And there are many other terms overlapping with Tsukihime. But so far Zelretch is the only direct relation between Tsukihime and FSN.

DragoZERO · 2010-11-23, 11:37

There's no voices in Tsukihime, right?

Cherry_Lover · 2010-11-23, 12:03

Nope (and nor are there voices in the PC version of FSN). However, the fact that Nasu added voices to RN suggests that, at some point, he decided that they were worth having.

GDB · 2010-11-23, 12:08

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Originally Posted by Cherry_Lover

However, the fact that Nasu added voices to RN suggests that, at some point, he decided that they were worth having.

I think that was more the market speaking than Nasu specifically. Voices add to sales. This has been proven over and over.

Cherry_Lover · 2010-11-23, 12:11

Well, yes....

That does not, however, invalidate my point in any way.

DragoZERO · 2010-11-23, 12:34

It's all about the money. Having voices sells more because it's just plain better. You get a better feel for the characters and the situations. It's a mystery how they manage to screw up anime adaptations since it's all pretty much there for them, they just need to animate.

And I am reading One Day now, it's really funny.

Haak · 2010-11-23, 12:55

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Originally Posted by Moczo

Well... it only covers Arcueid's route, but the manga is actually quite excellent, if you don't want to wait for a re-release that could come God-knows-when.

Yeah I've been reading the manga. It's supposedly finished but I can't find the last few chapters. There have been more chapters put up recently but it's been so long that they barely made any sense to me. I may have to read the whole thing, again.

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

What do you mean they look really bad? It's the first one man, you can't expect perfection.

I know I know, and if it was the only thing available then I'd read it but the prospect of a new release makes me wonder if it's worth simply waiting.

DragoZERO · 2010-11-23, 12:58

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Originally Posted by Haak

I know I know, and if it was the only thing available then I'd read it but the prospect of a new release makes me wonder if it's worth simply waiting.

I wouldn't wait. It could be years until it's out. Not to mention the translation. You'll be waiting a long time.

Haak · 2010-11-23, 12:59

Figures.

Well I can't wait for Witch on The Holy Night. Azaka fans like us might enjoy it. XD

DragoZERO · 2010-11-23, 13:29

I wish it were an anime... cause that will probably never be translated.

Usami_Haru · 2010-11-23, 13:45

People where saying the same thing about F/SN and Tsukihime before but we still got translations. It's really amazing that we actually got a translation of F/SN considering it's leangth and that it's Nasu language.

DragoZERO · 2010-11-23, 13:58

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Originally Posted by HanyuuChan

People where saying the same thing about F/SN and Tsukihime before but we still got translations. It's really amazing that we actually got a translation of F/SN considering it's leangth and that it's Nasu language.

Then what of F/HA? Is it not good enough and no one has to motivation to bother translating it? You need the people to code the patch too. It's a lot of work and a lot of time.

Cherry_Lover · 2010-11-23, 14:08

IIRC the guy who runs Mirror Moon doesn't like it, so he refused to do it, and the alternate translation project is a little slow....

Haak · 2010-11-24, 11:57

Well just to let everyone know, Take-Moon is getting an anime adaptation...

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DragoZERO Spoilaphobic Scanlator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Age: 27	Psh, I'll play the current version then. There is no telling how long it will take, especially when it was announced recently. This kind of thing takes years to make. And yes, having more route in Fate would have been nice. I guess we would have gotten an Illya and Taiga route? __________________ • Anime List \| Manga List \| Manga Thread Template •

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DragoZERO Spoilaphobic Scanlator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Age: 27	It's all about the money. Having voices sells more because it's just plain better. You get a better feel for the characters and the situations. It's a mystery how they manage to screw up anime adaptations since it's all pretty much there for them, they just need to animate. And I am reading One Day now, it's really funny. __________________ • Anime List \| Manga List \| Manga Thread Template •

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DragoZERO Spoilaphobic Scanlator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Age: 27	I wish it were an anime... cause that will probably never be translated. __________________ • Anime List \| Manga List \| Manga Thread Template •

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Usami_Haru Actually an Alligator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running through Sharnoth Age: 17	People where saying the same thing about F/SN and Tsukihime before but we still got translations. It's really amazing that we actually got a translation of F/SN considering it's leangth and that it's Nasu language. __________________

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Cherry_Lover Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Age: 28	Nope (and nor are there voices in the PC version of FSN). However, the fact that Nasu added voices to RN suggests that, at some point, he decided that they were worth having.

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Cherry_Lover Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Age: 28	Well, yes.... That does not, however, invalidate my point in any way.

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Cherry_Lover Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Age: 28	IIRC the guy who runs Mirror Moon doesn't like it, so he refused to do it, and the alternate translation project is a little slow....