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Old 2012-09-09, 22:23   Link #4161
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It is highly unlikely. Sakura isn't popular enough, unfortunately. Let's hope we get some Type-Moon anime *cough*Tsukihime*cough* in the future though.
I don't think her popularity matters much and I don't really get what a heroine has to do with route. Sakura is my least favorite heroine but I believe HF is the best route. BTW Sakura may be the least popular FSN heroine but she's still pretty popular, she got 9th on the type moon popularity poll.
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Old 2012-09-09, 23:11   Link #4162
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8th now, she managed to push ahead and leave Gilgamesh at 9th during the last poll.

And heroines have an important role in each route. I mean, without Sakura, who would sit down and suck Shirou's fingers after a hard day of beating Shinji and getting his ass kicked by Rider?

Oh and helping him along figuring out his life and stuff, but mostly the finger sucking.
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Old 2012-09-10, 04:08   Link #4163
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It is highly unlikely. Sakura isn't popular enough, unfortunately. Let's hope we get some Type-Moon anime *cough*Tsukihime*cough* in the future though.
Huh? Sakura was eighth in the TM general popularity poll without showing up in Prisma Ilya or Fate/Extra (aside of brief cameos) like Rin did recently. Trimming the poll, the Fate characters are Saber, Archer, Rin, Rider and Sakura. Nasu is writing a hanafuda scenario that features her. Rin plays a bigger role in HF than in her own route and she has even more character development. Saber still plays an important role. Archer... has about the same relevance in HF than in Fate route. Isn't he also writing CCC which focuses on the Sakura proxy of Extra world too?

Plus ufotable was interest on HF, but need time/T-M OK? They could actually push things like KnK (which weren't as well known as Tsukihime or Fate) into the spotlight after being unpopular for years and made FZ incredibly popular (which isn't on merit on Saber, alone. If you notice, their merch isn't Saber centric as T-M merch can be). Loli Sakura is getting a regular cameo in their official 4koma published in Newtype (I haven't seen Rin so far, Saber is a regular main character, so is Waver, and other Servants).

They are also pals with Gen Urobuchi. Who is Gen's darling again? Dark Sakura.

I would think the script would need some special touches, though.

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The only plot point/character whose issues aren't addressed to a satisfactory degree in Heaven's Feel is Saber. Everyone else gets their issues answered. How does it not work? You're looking at it from the perspective of FSN, and how it links to Zero. This is the anime. Look at how Zero would link to FSN.
I can argue it was, in the fate/zero novel, where her eyes flash golden. Her conclusion in HF, is pretty in tone with what happened to certain chivalry pal of hers.

The thing with HF is that there is a proper plot conclusion (the Greater Grail), rather than leave things hanging for Waver and Rin in the next decade. The biggest... problem is Archer arm, imo.
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Old 2012-09-10, 08:41   Link #4164
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Archer... has about the same relevance in HF than in Fate route.
Technically, he is the main character. So he is sort of always relevant
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which isn't on merit on Saber, alone. If you notice, their merch isn't Saber centric as T-M merch can be
Takashi still tried ... we ended up with 3 different alternate outfits from Zero, and her showing up on both box sets ...
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They are also pals with Gen Urobuchi. Who is Gen's darling again? Dark Sakura.
Going by some of the ideas Urobuchi had in store for her, I think him being as far away from HF and just doing his own thing might be for the best IMO


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I can argue it was, in the fate/zero novel, where her eyes flash golden. Her conclusion in HF, is pretty in tone with what happened to certain chivalry pal of hers.
Her becoming Alter is a different situation than the one with Berserker, and I think that was just her being really, really angry + her desire for the Grail being too strong, not blackened like she was in HF.
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Old 2012-09-10, 16:33   Link #4165
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it is a direct port or will the game be modify to include stuff form FZ?
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Old 2012-09-10, 18:37   Link #4166
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As far as it's been advertised, it's a direct port with cropped CGs and new OPs.
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> CGs
> cropped

wtf

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Old 2012-09-10, 18:48   Link #4168
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As far as it's been advertised, it's a direct port with cropped CGs and new OPs.
TM is being lazy here.
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Old 2012-09-10, 18:54   Link #4169
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> CGs
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wtf

why
Vita is widescreen. CGs are currently fullscreen. And then there's this...

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Old 2012-09-10, 20:33   Link #4170
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Technically, he is the main character. So he is sort of always relevant
Which is enough to draw in his fanbase. Rin's and Archer's fanbase are usually one and the same. Their major popularity is about their relationship and interaction. Not to mention Rin and Sakura had the same amount of votes when ufotable polled them (Saber, first place, Irisviel, second, Rin-Sakura, third). We're speaking specifically about ufotable and what they would consider profitable.

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Takashi still tried ... we ended up with 3 different alternate outfits from Zero, and her showing up on both box sets ...
Draw by Takeuchi who would turn everyone in T-M Saber. The ufotable exclusive merch, on the other hand, is more varied. Look up the products of the ufotable cafe and what they sell, instead. While Saber is there a lot, so are the male characters... and sometimes Irisviel.

You also forget they have their polls (not just in nicovideo, but the street polls). They don't rely on Type-Moon sources for everything.

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Going by some of the ideas Urobuchi had in store for her, I think him being as far away from HF and just doing his own thing might be for the best IMO
That's true, but I wouldn't mind his intervention, even if he makes Femme Fatale the ending.

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Her becoming Alter is a different situation than the one with Berserker, and I think that was just her being really, really angry + her desire for the Grail being too strong, not blackened like she was in HF.
I was talking about Diarmuid.

That was vague. The thing is that there is plenty foreshadowing in Zero (with its anti chivalry vibe) for her end to be completely tragic in conclusion and give an use for that dagger. I think her golden eyes are also a result of her anger blackened (she's suppressing her wrath).

Also it would mean pimping another Saber design even more. A winner.

The only drawback is the lack of Alexander (who is the remaining top 5 fate character who isn't involved). Unless they make up a BS Anime only excuse with Dark Sakura pulling out old war Servants of the Greater Grail or El Melloi II shows up and has a flashback...

However, I think that the best would have someone competent do their own script, not DEEN level, but more cohesive to draw the best of the routes with Nasu supervision (maybe Gen?). Because honestly speaking, Fate is incomplete just like the other too, when looking back to Zero. They work for VN, but it's difficult to adapt them on screen, that's why the anime or the movie are so so.
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Old 2012-09-10, 20:48   Link #4171
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or El Melloi II shows up and has a flashback...
They could theoretically expand on the post-Cavern, pre-Two years later time area and fit him in that way. Doesn't help with Rider, but it'd still be nice.
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They could theoretically expand on the post-Cavern, pre-Two years later time area and fit him in that way. Doesn't help with Rider, but it'd still be nice.
Or include a bonus short OVA in the Boxset with El Melloi II's reunion with Rider titled "Last Episode. Oceanus." NO need to shoehorn him in the plot. This would make any Zero fan buy the thing. If they add extended Gilgamesh and Kirei talk (which they love to do and they have their chats in HF), another incentive.

T-M is trying to milk this with including F/Z hanafuda in their new Vita Port.
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It wouldn't really be shoe-horning him in. Canonically, he and Rin would likely meet during that time period. All it'd be doing is showing stuff that wasn't there in the VN.
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Yes, I suppose. But it'll be really derailing to make him randomly flashback. They could show recalling Rider while talking to Rin.

Then Bonus cd drama or short clip available on Boxset.

Throw in a couple more of couch-wine talks with Kirei and Gilgamesh (and sacrificing the cooking), a Kariya flashback with Sakura and you have Fate/Zero fanbase buying this.

Hell, have Alter in a bike.
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I can't think of any situation where Alter on a bike makes any level of sense.
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I can't think of any situation where Alter on a bike makes any level of sense.
She can fight against Berserker, on a bike.
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She can fight against Berserker, on a bike.
But she needs the Riding skill to do that.
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But she needs the Riding skill to do that.
OH damn. I forgot about that.
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Old 2012-09-12, 05:03   Link #4179
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according to the official fate/zero anime website the Vita OP for the Fate Route will be bundled with the 2nd Blu-ray boxset to be released on September 19th

well according to google translate anyway so I might be wrong
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Old 2012-09-14, 17:28   Link #4180
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They can make up all sorts of BS explanations though, it's not like they haven't already made one before *looks at Hercules defeat in Fate*

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That's true, but I wouldn't mind his intervention, even if he makes Femme Fatale the ending.
I would! If they put him in charge, we will end up with some sort of weird combo of Sparks Liner High and Normal End



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I was talking about Diarmuid.
Ah, okay. Saber has a lot of chivalry pals for some strange reason, so I didn't know which one you were talking about.

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That was vague. The thing is that there is plenty foreshadowing in Zero (with its anti chivalry vibe) for her end to be completely tragic in conclusion and give an use for that dagger. I think her golden eyes are also a result of her anger blackened (she's suppressing her wrath).
Not really. I mean the best use for the dagger for me had always been in Fate when Kotomine got it back after all these years The sense of cosmic irony was just so delicious (also doubles as my favorite Kotomine death in the entire game)

As for the blackening bit, I honestly still think that was more of her rage and nothing more. I mean we had already seen not only in Fate, but all across the Nasuverse how when great spiritual beings are angered it is treated like the scariest thing you will come across in your life (Arc, Diarmuid, Gil etc.) and Saber being a HS and also part dragon seems like someone who when angered will have some pretty scary wrath to put on display. And like you pointed out, Zero hadn't exactly made her life any happier what with her having to deal with a master who treats her worse than a tool and won't even look at her let alone talk, having seen the shameful death of Diarmuid (and having her knightly honor stained due to it), killing Lancelot and then in the end having to deal with Gil making remarks when she is about to claim the Grail? Yeah I'd think she would be pretty pissed at that point, blackening or none.

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Because honestly speaking, Fate is incomplete just like the other too, when looking back to Zero. They work for VN, but it's difficult to adapt them on screen, that's why the anime or the movie are so so.
And that's pretty much what I'm saying, that as a whole the entirety of Fate/Stay Night ties into Zero nicely with all of the plot lines being answered and addressed in a satisfactory manner. Individually though, not so much, which is why in order to make a HF anime work better, they need to do some pretty extensive re-writes ...

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Also it would mean pimping another Saber design even more. A winner.
For Takashi, you mean
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