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Old 2013-06-22, 17:13   Link #4321
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And the reason will be that Poseidon is a god, the god of the sea no less, not some lady in a lake. Think about it. Berserker is Hercules, right? And his that is Zeus, so if Hercules is real since he isnít a fake spirit that means Zeus is real so his brother Poseidon should be real as well. And in my book gods win to spirits. The Servants donít count because all of them are demigods at best and those never end well.
I believe that the Lady of the Lake is also a God, or similar....
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Old 2013-06-22, 17:33   Link #4322
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According to actual lore (rather than TypeMoon lore), she appears to just be a human or otherwise slightly supernatural being trained by Merlin who gains or has the title of Ruler of Avalon. It seems to imply she's very much mortal, so I don't know if I'd give her a label similar to a god.
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Old 2013-06-22, 18:06   Link #4323
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According to actual lore (rather than TypeMoon lore), she appears to just be a human or otherwise slightly supernatural being trained by Merlin who gains or has the title of Ruler of Avalon. It seems to imply she's very much mortal, so I don't know if I'd give her a label similar to a god.
She must at least have some supernatural power, since she is able to give Arthur Excalibur and also set conditions on it (like it needing to be returned on his death).
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Old 2013-06-24, 18:33   Link #4324
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Not that is a relevant presence. But even in the odds that the Lady is a fairy or something, I still bet for the god.

I think the Lady of the Lake is human and it has something to with Merlin. Then again I give up trying to understand concepts from Type-Moon wiki when it comes down to the nature of something or how their powers work.
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Old 2013-07-02, 01:16   Link #4325
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What is the invocation for making an unclaimed (dead Master or Rule Breaker) Servant yours?
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Old 2013-07-02, 09:20   Link #4326
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What is the invocation for making an unclaimed (dead Master or Rule Breaker) Servant yours?
The same as the standard contract-producing invocation used when a servant is initially summoned, I think.

It's shown in UBW when Rin contracts with Saber.
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Old 2013-07-02, 10:59   Link #4327
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The Rule Breaker doesn't need incantation. I think it just pinch you and is game over, Caster becomes the Master.
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Old 2013-07-02, 11:11   Link #4328
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No, she still needs to use the spell. But remember, she's Caster. She has High Speed Divine Words, so she wouldn't need to use the same drawn out incantation, at least to a Master's perspective.

All Rule Breaker does is break the contract/connection, nothing else.
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Old 2013-07-02, 12:25   Link #4329
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I meant making a Servant yours.

Is it the one in Episode 1 in Fate/zero?
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Old 2013-07-02, 15:33   Link #4330
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I meant making a Servant yours.

Is it the one in Episode 1 in Fate/zero?
It is that one indeed.
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Old 2013-07-02, 21:08   Link #4331
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No, she still needs to use the spell. But remember, she's Caster. She has High Speed Divine Words, so she wouldn't need to use the same drawn out incantation, at least to a Master's perspective.
Well, this can't be entirely true, since a normal contract requires the consent of the servant as well as of the master, and I very much doubt Saber gave her consent....

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All Rule Breaker does is break the contract/connection, nothing else.
Yeah, Rule Breaker doesn't explicitly deal with contracts, it just breaks magic. So, it shouldn't be able to force a contract on a servant. How exactly Caster does do that, though, I'm not sure.
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Old 2013-07-02, 21:19   Link #4332
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Well, this can't be entirely true, since a normal contract requires the consent of the servant as well as of the master, and I very much doubt Saber gave her consent....

Yeah, Rule Breaker doesn't explicitly deal with contracts, it just breaks magic. So, it shouldn't be able to force a contract on a servant. How exactly Caster does do that, though, I'm not sure.
Rule Breaker forcibly breaks contracts. She's the Witch of Treachery after all.
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Old 2013-07-03, 10:16   Link #4333
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Well that is odd because Caster should not be able to become the Master by force of the Servants she stole then. And you can't just not say anything and still do the ritual, words are important on magic or magecrafth or whatever they call that thing they use that is magic but it isn't.
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Old 2013-07-03, 17:44   Link #4334
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Yeah, I've never been sure how exactly it works. The description of Rule Breaker certainly doesn't make it sound like it should be able to steal contracts (as opposed to merely breaking them), and when Shirou uses it on Sakura in HF he doesn't become the master of Avenger, but yet Caster clearly does it somehow.
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Old 2013-07-04, 00:04   Link #4335
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Well I say maybe the Rule Breaker allow her not just to "break" the spells but to rewritte them. That way the already existing spell pass to her instead of breaking it. And Shirou being a half ass mage in any case just use it the thing without thinking.
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Old 2014-01-28, 16:23   Link #4336
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Fate/hollow ataraxia is heading to the PS Vita in Japan, with a full voice cast. (I'm not sure if F/HA should have its own thread or not.)
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Old 2014-01-28, 16:31   Link #4337
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Fate/hollow ataraxia is heading to the PS Vita in Japan, with a full voice cast. (I'm not sure if F/HA should have its own thread or not.)
To bad it is for the PS Vita. It will probably will take a few years before it becomes possible for us western fans to play a translated Fate/hollow ataraxia version with voice acting
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Old 2014-01-28, 16:57   Link #4338
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Well, I assume however long it'd take for the HA game as it is to finish being translated, and then maybe another month or two at most for the voices to be applied. And that's only on the assumption that the game releases at the same time as the patch. Odds are, the voices will be ripped and applicable to the patch before the patch is even done, just like Realta Nua was.
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Old 2014-01-28, 17:07   Link #4339
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Well, I assume however long it'd take for the HA game as it is to finish being translated, and then maybe another month or two at most for the voices to be applied. And that's only on the assumption that the game releases at the same time as the patch. Odds are, the voices will be ripped and applicable to the patch before the patch is even done, just like Realta Nua was.
That would be good news if that is going to be the schedule.

I though because translating F/HA is taking a long time and because their isn't yet a PS Vita emulator, possible implying that the Vita and its games are difficult to hack, it was going to also take a long time before a voice patch would be made.

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Old 2014-01-28, 19:14   Link #4340
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Ah, hadn't realized Vita hadn't been hacked yet. So I guess it depends on if it's not hackable because they can't get the firmware to work, or if it's the firmware plus not being able to access individual files.
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