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Old 2009-08-04, 17:35   Link #1401
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Uhmm, how many conclusion ending is there in HF? I see 3 in the flow chart that mm provided, but I'm not sure if all of them are different. Also, if there are three endings, is it possible for me to get all of them?
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Old 2009-08-05, 01:00   Link #1402
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There's only to. The "Will of Steel" is a bad end and only has a very brief conclusion part(Kotomine explains to Shirou what he must do).
HF has probably the most sad ending(Normal End) and one of the happiest endings(True End)
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Old 2009-08-05, 01:05   Link #1403
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There's only to. The "Will of Steel" is a bad end and only has a very brief conclusion part(Kotomine explains to Shirou what he must do).
HF has probably the most sad ending(Normal End) and one of the happiest endings(True End)
I can agree to it having the happiest ending as for the sadest one IMO Fate ending beats it by a little.
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Old 2009-08-05, 01:37   Link #1404
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Saber parting? Seriously thats not that sad...
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Question? Do you think Shirou can have children even after HF's True ending?
His body's situation somewhat doubts it...

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Old 2009-08-05, 04:04   Link #1405
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Question? Do you think Shirou can have chioldren even after HF's True ending?
His body's situation somewhat doubts it...
Well, the doll's shape depends on the soul, right?

I suspect that also includes internal organs and sperm production.
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Old 2009-08-05, 05:48   Link #1406
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hm my fav ending is the "Sunny Day".
in the tiger dojo you hear that in the HF should also be a "ridicolous ending" (thats not the actuall name just how they call it there) where even saber stayed alive but they removed it.


OH! ttly forgot: has Fate/hollow ataraxia also been published for the PC?
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Old 2009-08-05, 06:25   Link #1407
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My Favourite end is HF's normal end:"Cherry Blossoms' Dream"
Just because Shirou's epic sacrafice scene. In many sense he suprpassed even Archer's GARness that time.
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Old 2009-08-05, 07:11   Link #1408
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i don t know which end is more saddening: cherry b or cont of the dream =/
the fat ending was just fucking dumb: when they told each other about their feelings she just disappeared and in the UBW where he kinda focusses on tohsaka she stays!
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Old 2009-08-05, 08:11   Link #1409
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Simple...we need a bit of sadness to make a good ending. Or so the jJapanese writers thinks(especially Nasu...almost every one of his characters have tragic or traumatising past, fighting insanity or having other saddening thing.)
If you keep saber you've got an all-happy ending. It coul've been somewhat lame to be honest. Even in HF True end there's a bunch of sacrafices and still it considered the happiest one. Why? Because of the sacrafices themselves and perhaps probably Shirou and Sakura's happy "wife-husband" life.
Not to mention if you keep King Arthur then a time paradox forms with it(she's dying after the battle at Camlann and actually diued while she lives in the modern world.). Maybe that's why Shirou must "mana-recharge" Rin so much after the ending. The world tries to fix that contradiction and as the time goes with greater and greater effort So even in UBW she stays until she won't have the answer from Shirou to the question Archer asked.
Saber has no intention staying at that world. She's king first then a woman. She's already married to her country.
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Old 2009-08-05, 08:23   Link #1410
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There's only to. The "Will of Steel" is a bad end and only has a very brief conclusion part(Kotomine explains to Shirou what he must do).
HF has probably the most sad ending(Normal End) and one of the happiest endings(True End)
Only two? I saw two Sakura Normal, one when you have performed the Limit Burst and one you got from finishing the True Ending. So they're the same right? Thanks.


For me the saddest ending is Fate Route Ending. Sorry, Heaven's Feel is sad throughout, the impact of the last ending* is just....that. In Fate, you keep believing, like the optimistic Shirou, that everything is going to be alright in the end, but you got shattered by the reality and have to accept it. And/Or maybe because I watched the anime first, and playing the game made me more engaged in Fate.

*I got the Cherry Blossom's dream ending first.
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Old 2009-08-05, 09:03   Link #1411
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Everyone does that ending first (after the many bad ends:P) in HF. Completing the normal ending the requisition of the true end(Return to the Spring).
And I don't know. For me sad ending is when the very end is sad too. Fate's ending only bittersweet. But every ending is bittersweet. Maybe Fate'ssudden, but that's all. Maybe because of the anime I wasn't shocked by it. I tend to analyse things throughly even if I just simply watch something and don't reallyconcentrate on it. Maybe that's why I thought it must end that way in Fate. I hoped for something different, but Nasu's works really don't force the happy ends.
But HF normal ending was different. I knew he's going to die if he overuses his abilities, I knew why he's doing it, but the simple amount of description got me. I could imagine the feeling as he looses everything. Then after that dramatic end I hoped at least sakura's going to be happy, but the thing she got was emptiness and guilt. She lived her remaining life in a false hope, closing her heart.

Q: Has anyone a suggestion who's the father of Rin's daughter?
I guess not, because we have no clues mentioned to find it out.
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Old 2009-08-05, 09:32   Link #1412
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Everyone does that ending first (after the many bad ends:P) in HF. Completing the normal ending the requisition of the true end(Return to the Spring).
Yeah. A friend of mine said to make Sakura (first) and Ilya (second) happy to avoid most of the bad ends.

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But HF normal ending was different. I knew he's going to die if he overuses his abilities, I knew why he's doing it, but the simple amount of description got me. I could imagine the feeling as he looses everything. Then after that dramatic end I hoped at least sakura's going to be happy, but the thing she got was emptiness and guilt. She lived her remaining life in a false hope, closing her heart.
As you said, we know it's going to happen, there is no false hope to cling to since its more realistic than the other routes. There is no impact. I mean, really its sad, but not the a very memorable/saddest one.

I don't think Sakura closed her heart. Well, maybe for a possible lover, but she didn't totally closed her heart to everyone. I remember reading she got new friends (in contrast before when only Shirou was her true friend) and when she got old, she got students to teach.
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Old 2009-08-05, 09:49   Link #1413
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You're right I said it somewhat wrong. She closed her heart partially. But I think she even secluded herself from the word. She returned to the girl she was at the beginning somehow. Maybe she expresses herself more and more active, but she remains at Fuyuki and plants cherry trees for Shirou. She lives a good life, but she has a big hole inside her heart. She dies lonely.
I think our opinions about what's sad differs. Foor me when there's less hope. In Fate Shirou had plenty of hope and he really managed to keep himself together. HF's normal ending is a different case. sakura's gripping into an impossible hope(and to be honest I hoped she may the very least hallucinates about it's completition in the end).
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Old 2009-08-06, 15:37   Link #1414
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I think HF Normal is pretty much the saddest ending in the game =S. Then comes UBW True, Fate, UBW Normal and HF Normal. But HF has the best bad endings overall - the Heart of Steel and the one where Shirou fights Saber.

HF True was lame to me, as it didn't fit with the whole tragic feel of the entire route.
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Old 2009-08-06, 16:32   Link #1415
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HF True was lame to me, as it didn't fit with the whole tragic feel of the entire route.
That's the point. You get your happy ending only after suffering for a long time.
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Old 2009-08-06, 16:45   Link #1416
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After enduring long amounts of suffering, you don't get happy endings. What you get is less suffering, but you will ALWAYS suffer from your past; that's basic psychology.
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After enduring long amounts of suffering, you don't get happy endings. What you get is less suffering, but you will ALWAYS suffer from your past; that's basic psychology.
Basic psychology =/= the way fiction works.

The characters DESERVE that happy ending.
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Old 2009-08-06, 18:35   Link #1418
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What was Shirou's justification for passing on Kotomine's offer to use the Grail to revive everyone who died from the big fire, and undo the past, again? I remember he wanted to move forward like he thought Saber should, but I don't remember the specific details right now. Did you guys think his choice made sense or should he have tried to bring them back?
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Old 2009-08-06, 18:51   Link #1419
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Bringing people back who died is a disservice to their memory.

Also the Grail would have corrupted his wish anyway.
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Old 2009-08-06, 18:55   Link #1420
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What was Shirou's justification for passing on Kotomine's offer to use the Grail to revive everyone who died from the big fire, and undo the past, again?
I thought he decided to fight so that the war will end shortly, not to get the Holy Grail? His answer to those who died in the fire is to live his life whatever he think is fit (like being a superhero...)

I thought it was Saber who wants to redo (undo?) her past, somewhere along the lines of her being not the ruler of her country?
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