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Old 2008-10-20, 19:53   Link #441
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*sigh* Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one in this thread who's watching the show primarily for Touma and his interactions with Index. Touma's power is cool. The concept of a negative power -- one that cancels -- is unusual. You don't often see that. But what makes the show most interesting are the little moments when Touma shows us how much Index has affected him. Episode 1 where he saw her unconscious at his front door (right before he realized she was bleeding). Episode 2 when she nearly passed out on the park bench. Episode 3 just before where their pride led to their fight. The powers are interesting; the animation is nicely done, but those are the moments I look for most in the show.
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Old 2008-10-20, 20:06   Link #442
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Touma's power is cool. The concept of a negative power -- one that cancels -- is unusual. You don't often see that.
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Old 2008-10-20, 20:07   Link #443
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Heh. That was created only a few days ago, spurred on partly by the premiere of Index.
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Old 2008-10-20, 20:13   Link #444
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Okay, so maybe it isn't that unique across the entire spectrum, but still an interesting power.

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Heh. That was created only a few days ago, spurred on partly by the premiere of Index.
To Aru was exactly my inspiration for that page, hence the image.
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Old 2008-10-20, 20:24   Link #445
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Magic nullifying ability is a rarely used ability in stories lets say

And I'm surprised the main character from Code-E/Mission-E wasn't listed under the WalkingTechbane page that links off AntiMagic.
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Old 2008-10-21, 03:27   Link #446
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Spoiler for novel:
Sry, i read the novel once more, mistaken it with other volume...

Spoiler for The part i thought was:
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Old 2008-10-21, 04:08   Link #447
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Watching Ep3 almost got me to sleep until Kanzaki showed up.

Not that's one hot samurai babe right there. Skinny torn jeans w/ that simple top and her messed up hair. God, she's like a metalhead babe. I love her. /To those who are reading the novels, does she have an "arc"? I heard Toaru will focus on each of the girls one by one.
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Old 2008-10-21, 04:58   Link #448
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The magic barrier will probably be explained further in the next episode. Kanzaki said that no one (non-magic users) would be able to enter the barrier, but it would be interesting to see if esper powers can penetrate the barrier. Meaning that Mikoto doesn't have to enter the barrier (and I'm hoping she'll make an appearance and help Touma out); she only has to zap Kanzaki from far.
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Old 2008-10-21, 07:21   Link #449
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Given that Touma is antimagic, he could have disabled the barrier, whether he comes through it or not.

If the barrier doesn't exist, there is nothing in between her and getting screwed.
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Old 2008-10-21, 07:55   Link #450
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Why do I remembered Mx0 suddenly 0.o;

Indeed, I thought at first that Touma would be a worthless guy with unusual power. In fact, we get a guy with unusual power and have a 'decent' personality, not wortheless, pretty logical, 'smart' (Hey, remember episode 2 ? :P), and kinda cool
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Old 2008-10-21, 08:07   Link #451
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*sigh* Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one in this thread who's watching the show primarily for Touma and his interactions with Index.
No, you're not.
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Old 2008-10-21, 08:28   Link #452
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I have to say I like the execution of Mx0 as opposed to To Aru, simply because while it wasn't "visible" there was a limit as to what Mx0 could erase. Taiga was always aware of that limitation thus used it sparingly. While Touma's ability causes him to destroy his own fortune, if he just works on his physique (like Taiga had, unwillingly) it really is an unstoppable power. Unless of course.. people like.. use a gun on him.. haha. I guess the problem I had is like in the first episode, he stopped the girl's rail gun, but the object itself is still moving at an accelerated rate, so wouldn't he still have taken the damage? Or does it nullify momentum/velocity/acceleration/..everything?

Also, another question is, why does his ability only delete his fortune? Shouldn't it also delete his misfortune? Shouldn't he technically be neutral? A state of.. nothingness..

Finally, I'm kind of worried how magic will play out. If it's as complicating as "pre-battle" posting runes all over an area, or having to do a long exhaustive ceremony.. battles will be based on preparation, as opposed to overall execution? Espers seem to have the advantage as they can use their ability without having to prepare.. Or is preparation only for healing, and otherwise big spells like summoning the Innocenti?
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Old 2008-10-21, 08:44   Link #453
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I guess the problem I had is like in the first episode, he stopped the girl's rail gun, but the object itself is still moving at an accelerated rate, so wouldn't he still have taken the damage? Or does it nullify momentum/velocity/acceleration/..everything?
I don't think she actually shot at him with the railgun, she did it once as a demonstration and then just used normal electricity. Note that the railgun is red (presumably from the superheated coin) while her normal attacks are blue.

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Also, another question is, why does his ability only delete his fortune? Shouldn't it also delete his misfortune? Shouldn't he technically be neutral? A state of.. nothingness..
Depends on how you think luck works. Yeah, that's one way of looking at it, but the way the series seems to imply that luck is only a positive thing. There's no such thing as negative luck, it only goes down to zero. "Unlucky" simply means "out of luck." Think of it like heat. You can add heat or take it away. You can't add or subtract "coldness." It only goes down to absolute zero, because there's no such thing as negative heat. Touma's just at "absolute zero" for his luck.
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Old 2008-10-21, 09:39   Link #454
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I thought fortune was a 'divine power' that came from the god themselves. Literally means, that fortune = Unusual power/magic/sort of. They never said that misfortune is a magic themselves so. . .It's pretty logical that the only things that Touma cancelled was only fortune.

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But can you call him unlucky while he's being surrounded by 2 and more beautiful girl in his daily life and all of them likes him ? >_>; (Index, Mikoto, Komoe-sensei !) lol.
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Old 2008-10-21, 09:46   Link #455
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II guess the problem I had is like in the first episode, he stopped the girl's rail gun, but the object itself is still moving at an accelerated rate, so wouldn't he still have taken the damage? Or does it nullify momentum/velocity/acceleration/..everything?
The attack he blocked was just a basic spear of lightning.
No, his ability would only eliminate the lightning. The coin would continue to move at its current speed. (Though please note that the coin moves at such a speed that it burns away in 50 meters...)

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Also, another question is, why does his ability only delete his fortune? Shouldn't it also delete his misfortune? Shouldn't he technically be neutral? A state of.. nothingness..
Luck in this series seems to be treated as a supernatural/magic, such as "God's protection". Misfortune doesn't, it seems, for whatever reason (maybe the author didn't think about that).

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Or is preparation only for healing, and otherwise big spells like summoning the Innocenti?
Magic doesn't always require difficult preperations like Stiyl's Innocentius.
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Luck in this series seems to be treated as a supernatural/magic, such as "God's protection". Misfortune doesn't, it seems, for whatever reason (maybe the author didn't think about that).
Actually, I was under the impression that it might just be Index's guess/theory, after all she is a sister, and that maybe Touma is just 'naturally' unlucky No real reason for it.
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Old 2008-10-21, 10:07   Link #457
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Actually, I was under the impression that it might just be Index's guess/theory, after all she is a sister, and that maybe Touma is just 'naturally' unlucky No real reason for it.
I dunno. She sounded pretty convincing when she said that. Like she knew it for a fact. I suspect the reason behind Touma's lack of good luck is explained in one of the books in her head.
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Old 2008-10-21, 10:09   Link #458
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Actually, I was under the impression that it might just be Index's guess/theory, after all she is a sister, and that maybe Touma is just 'naturally' unlucky No real reason for it.
Are you doubting her super memory and the her library of grimoire in her brain ?
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Actually, I was under the impression that it might just be Index's guess/theory, after all she is a sister, and that maybe Touma is just 'naturally' unlucky No real reason for it.
His "bad luck" could also be simply explained as "He's a really clumsy boy."

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Are you doubting her super memory and the her library of grimoire in her brain ?
Except that Imagine Breaker is not a magic or supernatural power, so the great dictionary of magic tomes shouldn't be able to explain it.
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But can you call him unlucky while he's being surrounded by 2 and more beautiful girl in his daily life and all of them likes him ? >_>; (Index, Mikoto, Komoe-sensei !) lol.
To a degree you could call him unlucky. One bites him, one tries to electricute him, and one makes him stay after class . Suppose you could argue how that isn't unlucky though. But I guess that's just how his cards were dealt. The story of Touma's luck is an interesting one.
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