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Old 2008-06-07, 13:11   Link #121
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Hmm..........at the end of SS arc, I thought all of Ichigo's friends witnessed the facedown between Aizen and Ichigo/Renji. They didn't get much screentime because they were all powerless (and Gin simply used his reiatsu to subdue them), but they all did see him use his zanpakutou.
We see that they all waited at the bottom of the execution hill while Ichigo went back up to deal with Aizen. The only thing they could view was the menos grande breaking through to help Aizen, Gin and Tousen, so they never saw Aizen use his shikai.

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I agree from a writer's point of view, it is repetitive to pull the same trick. But from aizen's perspective, why not use such a powerful trick, while people can't counter it? If he does it often enough, he'll have SS so paranoid that anyone could be an Aizen plant that they won't be able to work together effectively anyway.
Well, it's not that simple. The imposter has to know all the mannerisms of the person they are trying to mimic. Aizen couldn't even teach someone to imitate himself perfectly. It would be even more difficult for Aizen to teach an imposter to imitate someone else. Adding to that difficulty is the fact that a lot of the VC's and captains know each other a lot better than Shinji knew Aizen. Even Aizen admitted that Shinji's emotional distance is what allowed the disguise to work as well as it did.


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so what do you think will Urahara do next week? I thought there's a chance to see his untraceable gigai in action to make sure ss won't find and slaughter the currently defenseless Vizards..
Love, Rose, Risa, Shinji and Hacci were cut down but are still transforming. They'll probably be anything but defenseless in a few seconds. Hiyori's probably out cold. Kensei and Mashiro might still be restrained by kidou. Before Urahara does anything, he and Tessai have to get the remaining vizards under control first.

Then, yeah, he'll probably have to take them somewhere hidden to figure out a way to reverse what's been done. (maybe the hidden training room under Sougyoku Hill).
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Old 2008-06-07, 18:46   Link #122
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The anime episodes are fillers, and to add to them being fillers, they take palce in another time line. There will not be a a captain for the third sqaud. At least one has not been shown in the Manga.
Don't be so sure. Kubo Tite is heavily involved in the Anime.
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Old 2008-06-07, 22:20   Link #123
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Aizen Sousuke

Complete Hynotism

Controls all five of the senses, creating a single figure, form, energy, touch, and smell. It can deceive the enemy with all of those. Once your caught you can't release yourself from it even if you realize your caught unless Aizen breaks the shikai in front of you.

In even more simpler terms once he shows you his shikai anything he wishes for you to see...you'll definitely see it.

Now that my research is done and I've read the chapter... in order for Aizen to execute his plan he had to show his shikai to everyone of lower class in order for the fake to be seen as him. Kyouka Suigestu is an overpowered shikai but thats not what this post is about. Now for him to get shinji caught in his shikai he had to sneak around and let shinji come to him, hence the scene where it looks like shinji swiped his shikai away. That had to be the precise moment where he caught shinji. Now as far as the rest of the captains being caught, we do remember the ceremony he performed for the vice captains right, we have no way of knowing when he caught the current captains. Most likely he pulled his shikai out on them when he was walking around with shinji and they came upon them then he hid like he did with shinji and pulled it out, made them believe the bald dude was him and then put his plans into place.

Damn I hope this helps others..some of what i said is just speculation using situations that had already happened and trying to piece them all together using the anime and all the pendulum chapters to make an educated guess at deciphering how Aizen used his shikai on everyone. I'm beat now..going back to watch Yu Yu Hakusho. Peace
Well I really didn't do any research but this sounds pretty similar to what I wrote in my last post. Like I said before it does sound kind of complicated and quite a long task but we really don't know the time period that the other captains might of been but under the hypnosis and the actual time that Shinji was. Its highly possible that Shinji might of been the last one to have been captured and Aizen already had everyone else trapped in the hypnosis. It looks to be quite the intricate plan but we have already seen what he's capable of and we don't really know the time table that he had.

Aizen's Shikai sure is kind of cheap but I kind of like it, especially going with that brain and intelligence of his makes for a good even if confusing story.
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Old 2008-06-07, 23:54   Link #124
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That is why it will be fun to see when it is broken, and Aizen switching modes from a mighty leader to a pathetic loser.
What if Aizen's martial prowess, and the mighty power his unseemly pride flaunted were all nothing but mere illusions he foisted on others through the power of Kyouka Suigetsu? I can imagine Aizen squirming underneath a cornucopia of arrancar with one arm sticking out, crying, "Nooooo!" as the espada and other vasto lourdez rape him and feast on his juicy reiatsu.

It seems that those who can come close to rivalling Aizen's power level begin to at least "suspect" things about him. Unohana thought something was not kosher about Aizen's dummy clone during the Soul Society arc, and now Shinji the emo-vizard says he suspected Aizen. In my opinion, I do believe that if someone were to come along that could surpass Aizen's reiatsu and power level, they would be able to see through the illusions. The power level must exceed Aizen's to be capable of this. Of course if such a person were able to do that, they would be able to turn Aizen Sosuke into Aizen Sos-gay.

In another posting from some other forum, they showed canon pics that implicity stated the Captain Commander's power level being equal to Aizen. Yet, old Yama-Gi was still fooled by the hypnosis.
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Old 2008-06-07, 23:57   Link #125
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WTF emo Shinji >.> At least learn some facts right >.>
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Old 2008-06-08, 02:01   Link #126
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WTF emo Shinji >.> At least learn some facts right >.>
Emo Shinji?
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Old 2008-06-08, 02:28   Link #127
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Who the hell was it that got my hopes down and told me that TK was going back to present time for this week's chapter .
I must come out and eat sweet humble pie and admit that it was I that made the baseless predictions based on how many chapters one single manga volume can hold.

In my defense, I blame KT for milking the story!


It's official, hallucinating techniques are the ultimate "haxx" skills in shounen manga, from the endless hypnotizing eyeballs in that ninja manga to Aizen's Kyouka Suigetsu. (It would be interesting to see how Aizen fares against those ninjas )

Quite a letdown to see Shinji pwned so pathetically like that, but it's not his fault, it's KT's fault for making Aizen such an irredeemable bastard.

At least next week we'll have the much awaited showdown between the two masterminds - Urahara and Aizen. Although as this is a plot-centric flashback, it probably wouldn't be that epic in terms of fight choreographs.
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Old 2008-06-08, 02:49   Link #128
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Emo Shinji?
Read the post above mine
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Old 2008-06-08, 07:47   Link #129
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I think it would be more interessting if something like this happened:
Urahara: Aizen, what have you done?
Aizen: I'm experimenting on hollowification. I'm more intelligent than you. You didn't know, that gaining hollow powers takes away the limits of an individual, did you?
Urahara: Or course I knew. (Takes out Hougyoku to stabilize the Vaizards)
And add to that:

(1 hour afterwards):

Urahara: Phew, tessai, thank you for giving me the hogyokou. Thead of the kidou corps truly does know forbidden secrets.

tessai: Remember, it is better that the enemies of SS not know of my knowledge. For the greater good, Urahara-san, can you pretend it's yours?


Ok, perhaps my Tessai fanhood is speaking here.
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Old 2008-06-08, 07:59   Link #130
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I wonder if we gonna get a chance to see Jinta and Ururu in this arc :x

Slim chance as it may seem ._.
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Old 2008-06-08, 12:36   Link #131
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I can't wait to see what Urahara does against Aizen, Gin, and Tousen. I think that Ichigo is more powerful than any of the other Vizards. I just want to see what happens in the Turn Back the pendulum manga arc and hopefully get back to the Hueco Mundo arc and when Aizen goes to the Karakura Town and Yamamoto and the other Capts and Vice Captains are waiting.
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I can't wait to see what Urahara does against Aizen, Gin, and Tousen. I think that Ichigo is more powerful than any of the other Vizards. I just want to see what happens in the Turn Back the pendulum manga arc and hopefully get back to the Hueco Mundo arc and when Aizen goes to the Karakura Town and Yamamoto and the other Capts and Vice Captains are waiting.
If we are lucky then we might see Urahara break out the Hougyoku then while they are doing whatever they are doing Urahara puts on a mask and pwns Aizen and his crew then after that is when they get exiled
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I wonder where Mayuri is? Since he's played a part in last few chapters, I thought he'd be in the final showdown too.
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Old 2008-06-08, 15:06   Link #134
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Maybe he doesn't have the same thoughts of capturing "Test Subjects" like he does in the present.
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Old 2008-06-08, 16:05   Link #135
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These flashbacks are great but....
GET BACK TO THE ROYAL RUMBLE IN KARAKURA TOWN DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I just wonder why Aizen didn't get exposed back when all of this happened. Same for Tousen and Gin. It just doesn't make any sense to me, but I'm sure it will be explained. Does it have anything to do with the birth of the Vizards?
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I just wonder why Aizen didn't get exposed back when all of this happened. Same for Tousen and Gin. It just doesn't make any sense to me, but I'm sure it will be explained. Does it have anything to do with the birth of the Vizards?
Why didn't the captains explain the situation to Yamamato, or maybe they didn't do it so they could keep an eye on Aizen but then again they should have just kept him as lieutenant...Soul Soceity is strange...
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These flashbacks are great but....
GET BACK TO THE ROYAL RUMBLE IN KARAKURA TOWN DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the truth!!!
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Old 2008-06-08, 20:32   Link #139
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Probably the flashback are going to end the same time the fillers in the anime will end. This way the arc in the anime will get hammered down to the previous arc in the manga. Suddenly we will see the new captain in the manga.
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Old 2008-06-08, 23:00   Link #140
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Probably the flashback are going to end the same time the fillers in the anime will end. This way the arc in the anime will get hammered down to the previous arc in the manga. Suddenly we will see the new captain in the manga.
Who gives a damn about the anime Their fillers can (and better ) drag on for as long as possible, just to drag time on so when it resumes we don't get anymore of it. On the other hand, i don't mind these turn back the pendulums dragging on for a few more chapters, just so aizen gives a few more 'just-as-planned' faces, and a thousand more shock faces from the vaizards, but when all is done, just go back to soul society and give me a few chapters of all captains bankai-ing.
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