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| Alto x VF 171 |
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32 | 12.31% |
| Ozma x Bobby |
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13 | 5.00% |
| Ranka x Sheryl |
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42 | 16.15% |
| Sheryl x Alto |
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199 | 76.54% |
| Yasaburo x Alto |
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5 | 1.92% |
| Ranka x Ai-kun |
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38 | 14.62% |
| Alto x Klan |
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14 | 5.38% |
| Ranka x Alto |
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54 | 20.77% |
| Ranka x Brera |
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37 | 14.23% |
| Klan x Michael |
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101 | 38.85% |
| Ozma x Cathy |
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111 | 42.69% |
| Luca x Nanase |
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41 | 15.77% |
| Wilder x Monica |
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41 | 15.77% |
| Alto x VF25 |
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37 | 14.23% |
| Yasaburo x Alto's father |
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10 | 3.85% |
| Alto x Brera |
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18 | 6.92% |
| Grace x Ranka |
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12 | 4.62% |
| Nanase x Ranka |
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21 | 8.08% |
| Sheryl x Klan |
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24 | 9.23% |
| Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 260. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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<3 Sheryl Saotome
ArtistJoin Date: Jul 2007
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I dunno anymore... maybe it's because I've never watched any of the other Macross series (I hate love-triangles and I dunno why I've stayed for so long...) but I'm just not getting SxA vibes from the next ep =/.
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Dame Cheesie
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Alto may have felt something for Ranka, judging from the way he grew aware of her as a woman and blushed around her, but it wasn't given enough time to develop. It flickered for the faintest bit, but then it died in the face of future events. There was potential, but the series let it die for a reason. Ranka has let Alto go for a reason. Alto magically realizing his feelings for Ranka is unlikely on the grounds that the developments of the story is flowing elsewhere. The series has been showing us oh yes, it's smarter than it looks, with the way it's exploring themes of different loves and turmoils. It knows it's Macross Frontier, not Shoujo Frontier.
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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It seems from Ep22 the most Fanatic Sheryl Shippers (FSS) and Rabid Ranka Shippers (RRS) have come out to play, Ep23 has just added even more fuel to the fire. Honestly, it's impossible to interact with either side without things blowing up! Oh well, I consider myself an average Sheryl Shipper. So I'm leaving this to the big guns in the Shipping Wars.
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Anyone else think it was a bit of a let down that Mikhail basically said "It's not you, it's me" in his final moments? That doesn't seem all that honest, since up til that point Klan's genetic defect and being a member of another speices was the real obstacle to them getting together. It's a real cope out if you ask me.
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Further thoughts on the triangle
After allowing the latest episode to sink in, these are my thoughts as the triangle stands now.
This last episode was hard to watch. I think it strengthened the Sheryl/Alto ship, but it's sort of like the last few episodes of the original Macross where you feel like you're on an emotional roller coaster. Pretty soon, you don't really care if it crashes as long as it finally ends. So, why do I think this episode strengthens Alto/Sheryl? Well, let's look at it from a narrative perspective. For one, let's look at how this last episode has defined Ranka and Sheryl in their relationship to Alto. Ranka didn't really spend much time thinking about Alto this episode. Granted, that is slightly difficult considering the situation she's in, but were they setting up a romantic link between the two, this should have been the episode where their feelings were in sync, even though they're far away from one another. We should have had a quiet moment of Ranka longing for Alto's warmth despite herself, to go along with Alto's ruminations of the nature of his and Ranka's relationship. On the contrary, this episode sets them up for further separation. The most important thing to me about Alto's talk with Klan concerning Ranka was a sense of sort of bittersweet wistfulness. As I said in the last thread, Ranka was playing the role of Hikaru. In this episode, it's Alto who finally steps into Hikaru's shoes (meaning he "grows up") and realizes that, in his immaturity, he feigned blindness to Ranka's feelings in order to continue a relationship that made himself feel good. Whether or not Ranka needed his protection isn't really the point, it's that Alto felt like he needed to protect someone, and he chose Ranka to project those feelings upon as an escape from his own emotions and duties. Alto, allowing himself to acknowledge that he might have to kill Ranka, is also letting go of her as an image. Is that the right choice? I can't say, but it is a choice Alto made after looking at all the facts at his disposal, and looking at what he felt was the most important thing at the time. This is exactly the same thing Ozma and Ranka did. Their choices might turn out poorly too--perhaps the people SMS left behind will die a painful death at the hands of the Vajra, and this episode proved that just because Ranka wants peace doesn't mean it's going to come to her for the price of a simple song--but the point is that people have to make these choices. They have to do what they think is best instead of closing their eyes to the world and pretending everything will work out the way they want it to regardless. Now, looking at Sheryl in this episode, there are a few things. The big points about Sheryl at this moment in time are her death and her relationship with Alto. This episode almost beats you to death with the idea that Sheryl's "dreams" are actually quite "small". While right now, Ranka might be wishing for peace with all her might, deep down, what Sheryl wants most is love. That is why an ending where she "dies a hero" doesn't work, and "lives and sings" doesn't work either. Alto is being set up as what would make Sheryl happier than anything else in the world. The tension comes from the fact that Alto isn't an object you can just "hand" over to Sheryl to make her content--there has to be genuine emotion on Alto's part as well. You see, if Sheryl is the ultimate loser of the triangle, there is really no need to beat her up so hard. Most of the time, losers are allowed to retain some dignity, whereas right now, Macross F seems to be mostly interested in emotionally flagellating Sheryl to the point where it's painful to watch as a viewer. And, this can't really be compared to Minmay's subplot near the end of Macross in the slightest. Minmay was being punished because of her own inability to grow up, whereas all Sheryl's punishments are due to a fate beyond her control. Sheryl's role is more like Misa--who was not responsible for any of the suffering she went through (aside from choosing a wishy-washy guy in the first place. )So basically, the anime is systematically closing off all other routes to Sheryl's happiness, except Alto. It doesn't make sense to have Sheryl go through all that emotional pain only to have Alto end up with Ranka after they've both mutually moved beyond one another, and, a little bit closer to Sheryl's own maturity. |
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I just want to post it here too, something that i have found along the way ^^.
Spoiler for Sayonara ^^:
Guess what song that is ^^. I guess this song was deliberately nonexistent recently.... to prevent hints maybe?... Slide of hand from Kawamori?... I just love how he gives feints to the fans. Spoiler for ....:
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@musouka: excellent points
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Edit: @sekidousai, the song was already used in Diamond Crevasse episode, to be a tribute to Mikhail's death and to convey Sheryl's feelings for Alto. Sheryl has many deathflags, and the song is just one of it. |
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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And my wild guess is it could used as the theme music for the final fakeout of the LT, with the turnaround happening in the last verse. Last edited by glyph; 2008-09-12 at 13:20. |
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Allez Montréal!
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Montreal, QC, Canada... We'll be back! Go Habs Go!
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@musouka: you made my day there. But I still have a few questions on the way the producers are making the two girls suffer.
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Is it because she already is acting as a woman while Ranka is still a teenager, meaning Ranka wouldn't able to climb herself out of hell (in the producers' eyes) if she was thrown into half of the problems Sheryl is having? IMO, it would be a lame excuse if they pick on Sheryl because she's the most mature of all. And pushing Sheryl that far into pain is adding insult to injury.To be truly honnest, I was expecting so far to see Ranka's "punishement" to be as harsh and well-deserved as what I saw in the original series and in DYRL. I still hope so.
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☭ урааааааааа!! ☭
Join Date: Jul 2006
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I am not even so sure if Sheryl ever had a proper meal. She basically lacks table manners (maybe she was happy? I dunno), does not know how to use chopstick, and probably never consumed alcohol. Then I saw her in a flashback, and it felt quite painful.
Finally, in her short lifespan she had one day to enjoy a proper fucking meal, but her lights are going out as we speak. I found 23 to be particularly hard to watch, and then I thought of Ranka. Whether she loses the triangle or not is of secondary importance, the fact is, even if she end up not being with anyone, she at least has a load of people ready to pamper her to no apparent end. But Sheryl? What does she get? She basically got nothing left, not even her dignity. How fucked up is that? I begin to wonder if Shouji Kawamori's real name is Shouji Kim. - Tak
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@KiraYamatoFan:
The reason the writers are hurting Sheryl so much is because that will make it all the sweeter when she finally achieves happiness. (Note, that her actual end might still be bittersweet, but even if she dies, she'll die knowing that Alto loved her) I don't think it's really because they're punishing her for being strong as it's just naturally more heart wrenching to see a character that was so self assured and confident get to this state. It's also a way to bring things to light about her character that we otherwise wouldn't see. To bring Sheryl down to earth makes her all the more human and understandable. As fun as it was seeing a Sheryl that smiled and teased, we also needed to see under her exterior to know her true dreams and wishes. |
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She was even alone as an orphaned brat in the slums, and that is just abnormal as sewage finds it's own level. She's the one always talking about crap like making her own fate. Well, if she's bitter or upset about things, she has no one to blame but herself. |
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Allez Montréal!
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Montreal, QC, Canada... We'll be back! Go Habs Go!
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![]() Give at least something less one-sided when unleashing hell on characters, is it too much? Besides, the Sheryl we all cheer and (for some) pay to see in the series is the self-assured, confident and almost cocky one we discovered first, NOT the totally diminished one we are currently watching.
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