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Old 2011-10-23, 23:16   Link #8921
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I am saying that Asuka, however good of a person she is, is not qualified Haruto's girlfriend at all because it will take someone who will try to have enough of a relationship for two people. She would be the better girlfriend in the case of a normal guy, but she is definitely not the better girlfriend in this series.
You're operating under the assumption that matching up with someone's status quo is what makes them a good partner for someone. Some similarities of lifestyle do make things easier, but 'easier' isn't exactly the metric for 'better' either.

A good relationship should help you in finding happiness not just with your partner, but individually, which means spurring you to improve yourself. Asuka was dating well beneath her class when she was with Haruto, certainly, but by being who she is, she challenged him, and motivated him to give some form and substance to his life, which was previously just a bunch of melodramatic tomfoolery in pursuit of Eba.

Eba, on the other hand, has only ever given him cause for the aforementioned melodramatic tomfoolery. He completely neglects the pursuit of a life of his own because being with her, he knows he'd never need to do so. Eba is his dream girl in that she allows him to remain complacent and aimless, and not really requiring a lot of effort from him. But will he grow as a person? No.

If you think of the relationship existing in a vacuum...well, perhaps that doesn't matter, but the simple fact is that life is a tangled mess of every little thing interacting at once, and when something comes up that Eba being a little whimsical can't fix, they're going to fold, because Haruto is a weak man. He showed more independence in his initial relationship with Asuka than he ever did in any situation involving Eba.
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Old 2011-10-23, 23:35   Link #8922
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You're operating under the assumption that matching up with someone's status quo is what makes them a good partner for someone. Some similarities of lifestyle do make things easier, but 'easier' isn't exactly the metric for 'better' either.

A good relationship should help you in finding happiness not just with your partner, but individually, which means spurring you to improve yourself. Asuka was dating well beneath her class when she was with Haruto, certainly, but by being who she is, she challenged him, and motivated him to give some form and substance to his life, which was previously just a bunch of melodramatic tomfoolery in pursuit of Eba.

Eba, on the other hand, has only ever given him cause for the aforementioned melodramatic tomfoolery. He completely neglects the pursuit of a life of his own because being with her, he knows he'd never need to do so. Eba is his dream girl in that she allows him to remain complacent and aimless, and not really requiring a lot of effort from him. But will he grow as a person? No.

If you think of the relationship existing in a vacuum...well, perhaps that doesn't matter, but the simple fact is that life is a tangled mess of every little thing interacting at once, and when something comes up that Eba being a little whimsical can't fix, they're going to fold, because Haruto is a weak man. He showed more independence in his initial relationship with Asuka than he ever did in any situation involving Eba.
Hardly. The only independence Haruto showed when he was with Asuka was working at a part-time job that was nothing more than just a minimum wage job anyway.

If you really want to bring up the prospect of Haruto growing a brain pursuing a professional career in culinary arts, Asuka did not give him any inspiration for that. It was his experiences back at Hiroshima that influenced his cooking.
Then there was the cooking job he took to pay for his trip to Tokyo.

Haruto learned nothing from Asuka.
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Old 2011-10-24, 01:07   Link #8923
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But Asuka was and is, still the better person and the better girlfriend.
lol, which is irrelevant if Haruto does not love her or couldn't simply followed that path (to choose Asuka)... Being a better or good person can easily be the same as a friend who is flawed in every way if there is no love. Yes, haruto can grow to love but it is irrelevant what kind of person asuka is.... since having a friend status the person can be an image of perfection or a flawed being who is dependent on others. Asuka only flaw is Seo being the writer who didn’t cared about what happen to Asuka which you can also blame on fate.

I wonder if I can make a generalization that the occurs of divorces are common due to people using a checklist in a relationship rather going through the hardship and understanding one another. If asuka took time to understood Haruto even question his behaviour more it might had went different. The problem will always be that asuka is too passive when something is wrong you ask the reason and resolve the issue. If I remember correctly Asuka just swept most of the conflicts that influences their relationship under a rug as such e.g. shion and Haruto going to a hotel ^^,

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I am saying that Asuka, however good of a person she is, is not qualified Haruto's girlfriend at all because it will take someone who will try to have enough of a relationship for two people. She would be the better girlfriend in the case of a normal guy, but she is definitely not the better girlfriend in this series.
Well this just shows how Seo writing has degraded as the series progress longer with Haruto devolving more evident.. ^^, refer back to the post above Haruto did seek a more professional goal at least within the field of cooking as a part time assistant chef compare to be a normal store clerk when he was with Yuzuki. You can blame the writer for being inconsistent, but at the time it was mention that Tokyo was more stricted with license and creditation, so to be fair I wouldn't hold it against him.
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Old 2011-10-25, 21:26   Link #8924
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seriously what has haruto ever done for himself as a man ?
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Old 2011-10-29, 23:11   Link #8925
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^comment win...
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Old 2011-10-29, 23:40   Link #8926
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read chapter 157 spoilers

first reaction: this awfully reminds me of Suzuka. (no, not THAT plot twist. It's something else)

2nd reaction: what the fuck, Seo. Did you forget yet again that these people are not in highschool anymore? Maybe it's just alien to me, but I don't see this happening in a developed country.

I must say, the author is really good at making people feel uncomfortable.
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Old 2011-10-29, 23:50   Link #8927
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Wow, we've just entered a time warp and we're heading back to the start of the Tokyo arc. Fascinating...NOT! JUST KNOCK HER UP ALREADY AND END THIS!
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Old 2011-10-30, 02:35   Link #8928
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Maybe he'll get drunk and knock up Hoshina instead
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Old 2011-10-30, 05:27   Link #8929
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read chapter 157 spoilers

first reaction: this awfully reminds me of Suzuka. (no, not THAT plot twist. It's something else)

2nd reaction: what the fuck, Seo. Did you forget yet again that these people are not in highschool anymore? Maybe it's just alien to me, but I don't see this happening in a developed country.

I must say, the author is really good at making people feel uncomfortable.
I agree...this is a stupid chapter...really....Seo does all for not make kiss Haruto and Eba....but he is good at creating unlikely situations...The father is crazy... bha!
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Old 2011-10-31, 09:08   Link #8930
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So Papa Eba is about give his approval of this little boy (Cause hes not a man) If i were Yuzuki's dad i would fucking make Haruto do 13 labors of my choice to prove hes a man. If he survives all 13 labors then he has to fight me in hand to hand combat and if he lives then i will give my approval if he dies well there are 3.5 billion other men on this planet who actually have a spine and ballz.
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Old 2011-10-31, 09:10   Link #8931
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Obviously eba's dad somehow knows Suzuka's dad and he is discovering some horrific similarity between Yamato and Haruto XD

Suzuka's dad: Don't trust that kid, he will say all the nice thing to keep you off guard, then he will make your daughter pregnant....
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Old 2011-10-31, 11:07   Link #8932
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So Papa Eba is about give his approval of this little boy (Cause hes not a man) If i were Yuzuki's dad i would fucking make Haruto do 13 labors of my choice to prove hes a man. If he survives all 13 labors then he has to fight me in hand to hand combat and if he lives then i will give my approval if he dies well there are 3.5 billion other men on this planet who actually have a spine and ballz.
according to the new spoiler

Spoiler for 157 spoiler:

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Old 2011-10-31, 12:23   Link #8933
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according to the new spoiler

Spoiler for 157 spoiler:
Considering Haruto, that's not really overreacting
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Old 2011-11-02, 14:19   Link #8934
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Oh come on, of course it is.
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Old 2011-11-02, 16:16   Link #8935
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Oh come on, of course it is.
Spoiler for Just read 157:
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Old 2011-11-02, 16:33   Link #8936
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Oh come on, of course it is.
Spoiler for Just read 157:
Haruto couldn't punch his way out of a paper sack. just sayin
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Old 2011-11-02, 21:41   Link #8937
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just read the chapter...pretty sure later on that night, Eba's dad called Suzuka's dad...XD

Suzuka's dad: hmm...this seems familiar...is that guy not handsome at all but somehow he attracts every girl around him?
Eba's dad:......
Suzuka's dad: Do that guy and your daughter have an on and off relationship for more than a year?
Eba's dad:....
Suzuka's dad: Does he show a sign of stubbornness, even a bit over-obsessive at times, of becoming your daughter's bf?
Eba's dad: (sweating)
Suzuaka's dad: Last question and this is an important one....is he good at ONE thing only? (i.e running)
Eba's dad: (heavily sweating)....he is good at cooking
Suzuka's dad: Prepare your new life of becoming a grandpa
Eba's dad:....Eba, we are moving tmr!!!

and the last panel looks like Eba's dad wants her daughter really badly....(a bit of ntr feelings there)XD
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Old 2011-11-03, 03:17   Link #8938
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Eba's dad is a bit overprotective now, unlike how he threw away Eba to Hiroshima. Whether it's his or Eba's decision, still he let her live faraway to avoid conflict with his new wife's daughter...

I understand that the act of hiding a guy in your apartment will make a father rage (stupid move by Eba, makes them more guilty), but, he knows Haruto, not totally but he is the guy who's always there to help his daughter. He could be more considerate and talk things out. How ungrateful old man he is. He's worried that Haruto is boning his daughter in secret but never thought that Eba was more defenseless in Hiroshima living in the same house of this same guy, there's no curfew and their only walls apart, and they are both young. If I'm the father, it would be better for my daughter to have sex in college than she's still in high school, it will happen anyway.
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Old 2011-11-04, 12:18   Link #8939
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which is why it's awkward seeing all these high school drama when they're already in college

other than that, Hoshina is entertainingly crazy
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Old 2011-11-04, 12:22   Link #8940
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