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Old 2008-06-28, 01:11   Link #201
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Old Snake beat Vamp and Raiden had a tough time beating him. Raiden defeated Vamp, but left bleeding and the 2nd fight Vamp is weakened with the syringe shot Snake gave him.

Also note Snake is resourceful and uses his wit, instincts and experience to win a fight. He takes every measure as seen in the game to win.

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Old 2008-06-28, 01:51   Link #202
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Wit? That's all Otacon. He was the one that suggested the syringe. Old Snake didn't even beat Vamp, he merely stopped him from cheating again. Raiden has actually beaten him a total of three times. He had him fall into a watery half-death twice through a STINGER missile (when I played the game) and a PSG1. The third time, he cut Vamp until he spilled all of his blood, having him finally stare death in the face, because
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Vamp was toying with Snake anyway. He almost killed him at Big Shell, and would've, but couldn't, somewhat thanks to Raiden.
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Old 2008-06-28, 03:11   Link #203
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Yeah, but don't underestimate the old man. Otcaon suggested the syringe, but it's still Snake who has to do the dirty job of using it.

Raiden is fortunate (or unfortunate) to be given a cybernetic body, whereas Solid Snake and Naked Snake before him have fought with opponents with superhuman advantages/abilities, artificial or otherwise. Psycho Mantis, Vamp, tanks, Metal Gear... And yet he prevails by using whatever is available to him.

The only things that Snake truly has over those guys? Stealth and CQC. There's a reason why Big Boss was cloned, and not some special or nanomachined soldier.
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Old 2008-06-28, 06:03   Link #204
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Just like Otacon said. All the guys he fought they had all the advantages, but Snake has a back up, but still it's easier said than done what Otacon wants him to pull off against a certain enemy.

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Old 2008-06-28, 12:50   Link #205
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I think Snake will lose to Raiden now because he' s old and Raiden is one overpowered bastard.
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Old 2008-06-28, 13:03   Link #206
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What? Were odds never against Raiden? He took down 24 RAYS with a missile tube. He doesn't need a REX.
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Old 2008-06-28, 19:24   Link #207
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But it's such an underwhelming boss fight though. I mean, what is that?

Are those really Metal Gears? I guess weapon technology has improved over the years (to be specific: Raiden's missile launcher), but it misses the epic moment mark by a few levels. The best part of that scene is Snake chasing the Ray by swimming after it.
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Old 2008-06-28, 21:11   Link #208
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Wait a second here... was I the only one who saw Snake take down that horde of resistance group members only using CQC, whilst not firing a single bullet? Goddam, just the execution that he used was silky smooth.

But yeah the guy is just combat savy, I really think Kojima went to great limits to show how good of a soldier Snake is. The tactics that he uses and his thought process, to me seemed unmatched in all Metal Gear lore.
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Old 2008-06-28, 23:38   Link #209
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Bah. Raiden took down a horde of Gekko.

Without a railgun.
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Old 2008-06-29, 01:29   Link #210
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Well, he is a cyborg in the game. I would be disappointed if he isn't able to put off a good show. I actually like that scene more than his fight with Vamp. But without the proper equipment, he would been thrashed by those Gekkos in no time. Ninjas need their blades, and their arms to wield them after all...

...Which reminds me of something else I wanted to ask.

Spoiler for Raiden, epilogue:

Beyond his spiffy new ninja look, he gets major points for one of the most memorable lines in the game: "I am lightning, the rain transformed..."
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Old 2008-06-29, 02:01   Link #211
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Yeah Raiden in MGS4 is definitely better than he was in MGS2. He doesn't act all whiny anymore and the quote he said was a good line.

I enjoy playing online but the problem is for me is I don't like it when it's 5 minutes then switch to next round. This is a stealth action game so it should be long than 5 minutes.
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Old 2008-06-29, 05:37   Link #212
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Beyond his spiffy new ninja look, he gets major points for one of the most memorable lines in the game: "I am lightning, the rain transformed..."
Raiden is basically Japanese for "lightning" in the first place. So all these talk all about lighting and rain have a double meaning.
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Old 2008-06-29, 12:57   Link #213
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More specifically, "thunderbolt".
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Old 2008-06-29, 14:17   Link #214
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Raiden is basically Japanese for "lightning" in the first place. So all these talk all about lighting and rain have a double meaning.
Yeah, I understood as much. Anyone know how the Japanese version of that line exactly goes?
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Old 2008-06-29, 17:16   Link #215
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Raiden and Snake have different origins. Raiden specializes on melee sword fights and had cyborg enhancements in MSG4.

Unlike Snake that relies on CQC, heavy military weapons, experience and his instincts to win.

Both have specialties for there own field of fighting in battle.

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Old 2008-06-29, 17:39   Link #216
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Yeah when I thought about it. I say Snake can beat Radien because Snake thinks about what the enemy weakness is and through different tactics he wins but right now I say Snake in his prime can beat Raiden but now he's too old so he's more slower and he might get sick while he's fighting.
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Old 2008-06-29, 19:52   Link #217
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Age doesn't matter as they say as long as someone can beat someone.

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Old 2008-06-29, 21:16   Link #218
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Raiden surpasses Fox. Snake's beaten Fox twice already, both hand to hand, but the first time, Fox fell on a landmine, and the second time, Fox chose to not use his sword while Snake could gun him down. Raiden, though more useful with a sword or scout knife, could still use a gun, and his hand to hand was better than Snake's even before his enhancements as you could see playing MGS2.

Snake could beat Raiden if it was before Raiden's enhancements and if he had a gun and decided to use CQC, but now, Raiden's pretty much a deciding factor in which Snake either lives or dies.
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Old 2008-06-29, 21:39   Link #219
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Snake's resourcefulness will always prevail. Since it did before and even now he's old and he's overwhelmed by enemies he still manages and as Otacon said it he's the SHIT!

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Old 2008-06-29, 22:02   Link #220
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Then what if he had no resources? Or if he could only carry one weapon?
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