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Old 2013-04-15, 22:51   Link #25081
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Actually, the whole current system magicians use is the one Crowley did.
huh? they are using idol theory for most of their spells. Heck even god's right seat based their spells on higher plane of existence.

Crowley's form of magitek here is more on the science side department's development of esper.

The enlightenment of oneself or free will or something. I don't read much about what's happening in Horus eon but its the eon of freewill from what I remember.

And Osiris eon is more on the age of believers or the current age magicians. while Isis is the eon of Gods age.

I'm not even sure if Bardway is using magic from horus age but she studied Crowley. Her magic can be plenty devastating if you ask me. Minor arcana's only already present problems on Touma. What if she start using the major arcana's
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Old 2013-04-16, 05:52   Link #25082
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Anyone wonder why the author has used angel but not devil ? IIRC, Styl explained that beside angel there are also devil so maybe Accelerator dark-wings-mode isn't an angel but a devil
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Old 2013-04-16, 06:09   Link #25083
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Anyone wonder why the author has used angel but not devil ? IIRC, Styl explained that beside angel there are also devil so maybe Accelerator dark-wings-mode isn't an angel but a devil
most probably that is due to hatred he feels and that form is his incomplete form. you can say it is level 5.5
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Old 2013-04-16, 06:22   Link #25084
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You know, the old testament Angels are pretty monstrous-looking as well.
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Old 2013-04-16, 09:07   Link #25085
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In religion. The fallen angels are cast away and they turn hideous to reflect their status but they are all angels in the beginning and devils are quite devious. So they can even pretend to look like angels in front of their prey.

The wings mode of Accelerator reflect his feelings. That's why when White Kakine is fighting him. He is careful on not making him too angry for the wings to form.

The wings just reflect his mindscape/personal reality. His anger manifest as black wings while the enlightenment reflects the white wings.
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Old 2013-04-16, 11:29   Link #25086
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Hey, how far into this thread do you think I need to dive in order to reach the previous discussion on NT6? Because I've gone back to page 1110 and it seems like it was already going on. (Not to mention NT5... )

When was NT5 and 6 released again? Didn't really notice it.
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Old 2013-04-16, 12:48   Link #25087
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In religion. The fallen angels are cast away and they turn hideous to reflect their status but they are all angels in the beginning and devils are quite devious. So they can even pretend to look like angels in front of their prey.

The wings mode of Accelerator reflect his feelings. That's why when White Kakine is fighting him. He is careful on not making him too angry for the wings to form.

The wings just reflect his mindscape/personal reality. His anger manifest as black wings while the enlightenment reflects the white wings.
Too bad accel can't control the wings... Something tells me that an encounter with Aiwass might help him understand how to "clarify his mind".

From my perspective, accel casted away all his doubts when he verbally admited he wants to always stay with Last Order... Now, I don't know the exact mechanism or reason behind what hapenned, how a apparently entirely emotional change could create what seemed something more akin to an entirely cognitive transformation, but hey, even if the brain is split in two, the hemispheres are next to each other.
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Old 2013-04-16, 13:08   Link #25088
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From my perspective, accel casted away all his doubts when he verbally admited he wants to always stay with Last Order.
That's why I say white wings is akin to enlightenment. Free from earthbound shackles. That's the main theme of eon of horus. Being free.
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Old 2013-04-16, 13:39   Link #25089
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That's why I say white wings is akin to enlightenment. Free from earthbound shackles. That's the main theme of eon of horus. Being free.
But he didn't get rid of his earthbound shackles... He wants to stay with Last Order

And what I don't understand is how the emotional change expanded his mind and "understanding". I mean, not because I break through an emotional trauma will let me understand and imagine things in four or more dimensions, right?

Alrhough I do admit that when he got the white wings, he concluded that if someone weee to ask him what he was, instead of.saying a monster, level 5, number 1, villain or anything, he.would answer "I'm Myself"... Accel understood what he was on an emotional level.

On another note, If the idea behind the Aeon of Horus is "Freedom", is is freedom from the laws? In other words, Aiwass is so strong because he is free from existencial laws, perhaps creating his.own laws, hence the quoing from The Book of the Law, and that means that Aleister also wants to attain that freedom.

Then, Accel and Kakine are the Level 6 candidates because they have the power to understand any law come in contact with, and bring to or create into this world new laws, RESPECTIVELY?

Finally, is.it.possible.to make a.parallel between the Icon theory and the scientific laws/axioms/theories, and that magicians and espers must understand and have faith one of them?
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Old 2013-04-16, 14:58   Link #25090
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“It seems you cannot even give up if you do not understand the situation. I don’t think this is a good use of your last moments with her, but I will give you a helping hand of despair.” The magician spoke smoothly as if she were reading from the bible. “Her perfect memory is not a type of psychic power nor is it a type of magic. It is a natural part of her. It is the same as poor eyesight or allergies. It is not a type of curse that can be broken.”

“…”

“We are magicians. With any circumstances created by magic, there is a danger of it being dispelled by magic.”

“I thought it was an anti-occult defense system created by a magic specialist? Can’t you do something with Index’s 103,000 grimoires!? She said that controlling those would give you the power of God, but if it can’t even heal one girl’s head, it doesn’t sound so great to me!”

“Oh, you’re referring to a Magic God. The church is extremely afraid of Index rebelling. That is why they put a ‘collar’ on her so that the maintenance only the church can perform must be carried out once a year by erasing her memories. Did you really think they would leave any possibility of her removing that collar herself?” Kanzaki spoke quietly. “There is likely a bias in her 103,000 grimoires. For instance, she was probably disallowed from memorizing any grimoires that dealt with manipulating memories. I would be willing to bet that the church has put up some security like that.”

“God damn it,” Kamijou cursed under his breath. “…You said 80 percent of Index’s brain is taken up by the information in the 103,000 grimoires, right?”
Is it just me, or is the translation a bit fuzzy on this bit.

I don't get what Touma means when he brings up an anti-occult defense mechanism here.

And then Kanzaki starts talking about how they have safeties in place in order to force the memory loss maintenance.

Its sort of jumbled up.

BTW, this is before Touma figures out the whole Index situation
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Old 2013-04-16, 17:08   Link #25091
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But he didn't get rid of his earthbound shackles... He wants to stay with Last Order

And what I don't understand is how the emotional change expanded his mind and "understanding". I mean, not because I break through an emotional trauma will let me understand and imagine things in four or more dimensions, right?

Alrhough I do admit that when he got the white wings, he concluded that if someone weee to ask him what he was, instead of.saying a monster, level 5, number 1, villain or anything, he.would answer "I'm Myself"... Accel understood what he was on an emotional level.

On another note, If the idea behind the Aeon of Horus is "Freedom", is is freedom from the laws? In other words, Aiwass is so strong because he is free from existencial laws, perhaps creating his.own laws, hence the quoing from The Book of the Law, and that means that Aleister also wants to attain that freedom.

Then, Accel and Kakine are the Level 6 candidates because they have the power to understand any law come in contact with, and bring to or create into this world new laws, RESPECTIVELY?

Finally, is.it.possible.to make a.parallel between the Icon theory and the scientific laws/axioms/theories, and that magicians and espers must understand and have faith one of them?
I don't think there is a complicated reason as to why Accel and Kakine are Level 6 candidates. I think they have potential to be Level 6 in the same way Mikoto had potentially to be Level 5.

I think in order to become Level 6 they just need to get stronger and stronger.

I mean in order to become "La Persona Superiore a Dio" Fiamma essentially tried to pile power on top of power.
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Old 2013-04-17, 01:49   Link #25092
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If we're talking about level 6..... I think the simplest reason is: Vector can potentially control everything, and Dark Matter is made from nothing.
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Old 2013-04-17, 02:24   Link #25093
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Once Hamazura's girl friend reaches level 5, neither Accelerator nor Kakine would matter anymore.
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Old 2013-04-17, 02:27   Link #25094
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Depends. One who controls the girl would control all, no?
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Old 2013-04-17, 02:32   Link #25095
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Depends. One who controls the girl would control all, no?
Well I was speaking strictly on esper ability

All dem politics is a whole other issue.
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Old 2013-04-17, 02:49   Link #25096
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I don't think level 6 is under her jurisdiction...
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Old 2013-04-17, 03:02   Link #25097
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Why not? If she can make level 5s out of level 0s, and the reverse, why not a level 6?
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Old 2013-04-17, 03:24   Link #25098
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Following the severing of ties from Academy City by the 27 Cooperative Institutions of Academy City after the events at Hawaii , the Sister clones escaped from their housing units that the institutions provided, and erased all known traces of their DNA map in their records using their powers. It was hinted that "someone" gave battle tactics to them in their network, though it is unknown who it was. Who do you think was that?
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Old 2013-04-17, 03:30   Link #25099
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^Maybe it's the Will of the whole Misaka Network that spoke with Accelerator at the end of NT6.
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Old 2013-04-17, 04:11   Link #25100
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^Maybe it's the Will of the whole Misaka Network that spoke with Accelerator at the end of NT6.
While that is a possibility, I am more inclined to think that it's full tuning. It's also possible that full tuning is actually the "Will of the Misaka network" or vise versa.
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