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Old 2012-03-11, 16:27   Link #16941
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If you consider this, how many strong and built mages are out there? none, the only ones buff enough are basically the saints.

Also consider some magic eat your stamine for breakfast (pedo priest).

Hell even in nasuverse which have one of the most physical fit mages out there don't do this.
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Old 2012-03-11, 16:43   Link #16942
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its true that magicians are quite weak, touma pretty much had 1 hit K.O. a lot of them, but i would like to konow a bout the magician kihara he looked quite buff.
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Old 2012-03-11, 17:37   Link #16943
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its true that magicians are quite weak, touma pretty much had 1 hit K.O. a lot of them, but i would like to konow a bout the magician kihara he looked quite buff.
The only magicians that seemed as "strong" body wise are the ones that use more "physical" means for magic; like most of the knights featured in the series (of which Touma didn't directly faced any, I think).
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Old 2012-03-11, 17:39   Link #16944
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I'll clarify.
Othinus's 50:50 of a result of being a Majin. Ollerus, only half way being one, does not have this problem.

The 50:50 is only useful in trying to do something you normally can't succeed at, since you are going to fail anyway, but you have this 50% of making it. But in the case of doing something you normally can achieve, having a 50% failure tag on everything you do is going to be very very annoy, especially if she is working on some grand scheme of thing.

On the other hand, if the Universal Esper power gets completed, the entire Academy City would get flipped upside down. Because with AC's current theory, they won't be able to measure the Universal Esper power.
Say... you take a traditional esper from AC, the said esper can only lit fire up in his hand and is a lv.2 at best.
Now, if you take a Universal Esper who also can only lit fire up in his hand, and would still be treated like a lv.2 by AC.... but that fire is lit up because the law of universe is bent by a wordily scale (as in a fire got lit up as the side effect pf bending the universe), thus the effect produced by a Universal Esper might just be something lv.2-ish, the actual power that is working behind the scene is ridiculously tremendous. And AC who can't probably perceive this fact would simply become outdated.

It is like.... Othinus is now a step ahead of Alister on whatever he is trying to do.
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Old 2012-03-11, 17:46   Link #16945
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I'll clarify.
Othinus's 50:50 of a result of being a Majin. Ollerus, only half way being one, does not have this problem.

The 50:50 is only useful in trying to do something you normally can't succeed at, since you are going to fail anyway, but you have this 50% of making it. But in the case of doing something you normally can achieve, having a 50% failure tag on everything you do is going to be very very annoy, especially if she is working on some grand scheme of thing.
Interesting. You said before that Othinus wants to use Aleister as a research subject, right? Is it because, Aliester, having surpassed the countable world, could help her surpass the 50:50?

To clarify, does the 50:50 affect every single thing she does?
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Old 2012-03-11, 17:52   Link #16946
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For some reason, this whole thing behind the Universal Esper stuff reminds me of the "natural power" Touko uses in Flere's fanfic.

As expected of a member of Crack's Right Seat, he has the power to predict Kamachi's additions to canon.
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Old 2012-03-11, 17:53   Link #16947
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Technically, the sample material Othinus is after is "something that does not affect by current science theory and magic that is within the Windowless Building."
And since only Aliester is inside that building, I believe Alister is who she meant. Unless Alister hide something else in that building too.

As to what extent 50:50 affects Othinus, I won't be able to answer. Base on the ways things are described, it is pretty hard to tell.
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Old 2012-03-11, 17:55   Link #16948
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Technically, the sample material Othinus is after is "something that does not affect by current science theory and magic that is within the Windowless Building."
And since only Aliester is inside that building, I believe Alister is who she meant. Unless Alister hide something else in that building too.

As to what extent 50:50 affects Othinus, I won't be able to answer. Base on the ways things are described, it is pretty hard to tell.
Hmm, so is this 'higher position' Aleister vaunted himself to be at to Fiamma what Othinus seeks?

Lol, to think Aleister of all people is now considered as a guinea pig. Karma's a bitch.
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Old 2012-03-11, 17:59   Link #16949
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To clarify, does the 50:50 affect every single thing she does?
Of course, but that's the case for just about anything anyone ever does.

As I've said and Shmaster just confirms it for me, the only way to see this effect in action is when she attempts an seemingly impossible task, and not a mundane everyday one.
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Old 2012-03-11, 18:03   Link #16950
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Of course, but that's the case for just about anything anyone ever does.

As I've said and Shmaster just confirms it for me, the only way to see this effect in action is when she attempts an seemingly impossible task, and not a mundane everyday one.
Rubix will have a field day with this. Imagine if it was for everything.

Can't even pour yourself some juice without spilling it all over the counter - 50/50
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Old 2012-03-11, 18:07   Link #16951
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Rubix will have a field day with this. Imagine if it was for everything.

Can't even pour yourself some juice without spilling it all over the counter - 50/50
Going to the toilet; success rate 50:50.
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Old 2012-03-11, 18:11   Link #16952
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Going to the toilet; success rate 50:50.
Orgasm; success rate 50:50.

...Hey, not half-bad under the right circumstances.

It's a higher rate that Mikoto will ever get with Touma--

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Old 2012-03-11, 18:20   Link #16953
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Old 2012-03-11, 18:25   Link #16954
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Orgasm; success rate 50:50.

...Hey, not half-bad under the right circumstances.

It's a higher rate that Mikoto will ever get with Touma--

Why am i laughing?
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Old 2012-03-11, 18:28   Link #16955
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Old 2012-03-11, 19:24   Link #16956
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Lemme see,

We got a one eye girl and a woman in a wheelchair.

Nearing Katawa Shoujo levels
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Old 2012-03-11, 19:59   Link #16957
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Rubix will have a field day with this. Imagine if it was for everything.

Can't even pour yourself some juice without spilling it all over the counter - 50/50

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Going to the toilet; success rate 50:50.
*taking notes*
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Old 2012-03-11, 20:03   Link #16958
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Strongest loli on fiction, deal with it lolis are OP.
Can you tell me or PM what manga loli girl from, since your saying she the strongest ! LOL
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Old 2012-03-11, 20:30   Link #16959
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Old 2012-03-11, 20:41   Link #16960
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Actually, I think there's a chance that Touma would win against Othinus. He has already fought against Aureolus, whose powers are as close to reality warping as it gets for a magician. However, since it's Odin we're talking about, it's also possible that she has Odin-related magic in her arsenal. There is still a 50% chance that she might fail on every spell she uses, though.
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