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Old 2008-09-02, 01:10   Link #361
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Wait...Guys I think we've got something wrong here
I know that after we've experienced some weird translations (Ru-Do-Ru-Bu = Rudolf but not Rudolph)
We've got one definitely wrong in EP3

Walgiria is not supposed to be Walgiria
After using some translation tools and consulting with my japanese teacher
I came down to the conclusion that Walgiria actually does have an English name

"Valkyria" or just "Valkyr"

Shouldn't it be "Virgil" of La Divina Commedia?

She used to say it's not the name of the German godess but the one who guide Battler to Beatrice's, at the top of Purgatory.

But the pronunciation is a bit different...I'm bewildered
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Old 2008-09-02, 01:27   Link #362
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Already been said. I say use "Virgilia" because Virgil is a masculine name
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Old 2008-09-02, 01:45   Link #363
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Already been said. I say use "Virgilia" because Virgil is a masculine name
I see. You're right. So it should be Virgilia.
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Old 2008-09-02, 03:40   Link #364
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The guys at the chinese forums are acting up as well
They say that they can finish the first translation by late November, but I doubt that

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It seems like that Beatrice ain't as much of a player as 34 in Hinamizawa
After all Ever since EP2 she encountered troubles XD, Ownt by Battler at the first round and started to play cheap ever since XD

P.S. I hate the Siestas! Stakes FTW!~ S.o.P. FTW!!!
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Old 2008-09-02, 07:18   Link #365
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Finally finished reading it
I liked it a lot, better than the firts two, but sometimes the excess of magic annoyed me a bit, like that battle of magical towers, giants, spears and shields and that 'fight' of beato and eva-b at the last chapter

Probably everything is commented by now
I'll try too bring something new, anyway


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魔女の挑戦状
Thoughts: Kyrie has a good point. Why does Beatrice approach them now?
Originally I was thinking b/c she was waiting for Battler, but later we find out that Ange also is able to wear the family crest (originally I thought she was Battler’s step sister with no blood ties with the family). If Beatrice was waiting for all the members in the family to arrive on the island, it makes no sense that she would execute this w/o Ange present. So Kyrie’s point currently makes the most sense.

IIRC the riddle has been up for 2 years. Another good question is why suddenly did Kinzo put it up at that time. Was Kinzo waiting for something?
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Guess: Ange was supposed to come but gave up at the last time (sick). It was something unexpected. It's commented in the first episode


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怪しい・・・ It was Rudolf idea to break the window. Rudolf also avoids touching the window the whole time. Beatrice’s 密室定義 talks about how invulnerable the doors are to each room, but she always avoid mentioning the window in her clause. The few times when the window is mentioned, she avoids using red text with the sentence that contains the windows and reds everything else.
I think it was mentioned in earlier episodes, but it's purely a guess
The windows are manually locked/unlocked from inside without the need of keys, if I'm not mistaken (well, my house is like that too, hehehe). And since I also do not remember anything contrary to this, it will be my hypothesis. (probatio diabolica)

This helps solving the chain of secret rooms later.

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Old 2008-09-02, 10:13   Link #366
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Spoiler for @ Klashikari:


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Old 2008-09-02, 12:45   Link #367
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2. Boiler room. How come the door that leads outside isn't mentioned at all? Where is the regular key (the non-master key) for this door?
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Old 2008-09-02, 12:47   Link #368
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Well,
Maybe was too naive here but I believed this part:

留弗夫は石を振り上げ、ガラスに何度も叩き付けた。
やがて、外から鍵を開けることのできる程度に、上手に穴を開けるのに成功した。 
…留弗夫はハンカチで手を庇いながら、その穴に手を突っ込み、慎重に鍵を開ける。

...when I supposed the windows can be locked/unlocked without the need of keys.

And there's also the part when George escapes from the guest house. I thought he had opened the window (without keys), and then someone closed it after. (Battler's guess)

Well
but this red text
ちなみに、6つの部屋の扉や窓はいずれも普通。オートロックのような鍵を使用せず施錠できるよ うな仕掛けは 存在しない。

Indeed, blows my theory away anyway
Can't we exclude the window manual lock from 施錠できるよ うな仕掛け??

As for the boiler room
Maybe the front and backdoor are locked/unlocked with the same original key.


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"I was under the impression that the doors could be locked from inside. But as far as the the Sanctuary goes, you're right. That uses some type of pad lock, irrc."
In this part I meant that the last person must lock himself, according to that accident theory. If Kinzo was the last, he could not lock himself with all the masterkeys+boiler room key locked in the other rooms. And Kanon could not lock himself with his masterkey.

And as for the this stuff of:
'furniture is not human, so they are not included in the 18';
In my opinion, it'd be way too much. It would not be, let's say, reasonable in my opinion, from Ryuukishi's part. It would be like admit that non-human beings indeed exist (and then, fantasy wins over mystery).

And I see no problem with '魔女≠人間' because the Witch simply does not exist (well, I think... hehe), or at least can't meddle in the human world.

Ria's argument is easier to solve things for Nanjo's murder than going into this way.

And Kinzo being dead from before things start would be interesting... But I also don't believe it. Way too many people would have to know about it; Nanjo, Krauss, his wife, the servants... And a big bunch of episode 1 would have to be deemed as illusion/demence/lie/cover up.


As for the riddle: I have no idea, really .


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Weak memory sucks...
From where is this info, please? heheheh
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Old 2008-09-02, 13:00   Link #369
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Alot more things have came out into the open, many rooms suddenly becoming extremely open rooms, and the several loopholes that most likely mean the answer of the mystery.

The furniture thing might make sense, but that would mean that there would be 3 people outside from that.

I think the argument is that furniture =/= people but ARE human in a way.
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Old 2008-09-02, 13:29   Link #370
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Spoiler for riddle:

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Old 2008-09-02, 14:19   Link #371
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Hhmm
this

しかも、中庭から屋敷に入る入口は2つもあり、そのどちらにも鍵は掛かっていなかった。

中庭の構造上、屋敷の外から入れないため、鍵が設けられてなかったのだ。

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Old 2008-09-02, 14:49   Link #372
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Yes I can totally understand that

A translation if you can.

@chrono Alot doesn't make sense of course, the locks are to keep out the window opening birds.
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Old 2008-09-02, 16:36   Link #373
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Btw, currently making some theory but I need to clarify something from ep.3 since I haven't played it yet (but I got a lot of information of this ep. from this thread )

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Old 2008-09-02, 16:42   Link #374
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Old 2008-09-02, 16:42   Link #375
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answers for episode 1:

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Old 2008-09-02, 16:58   Link #376
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huh that's strange

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Old 2008-09-02, 17:00   Link #377
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Oh yeah indeed. I actually forgot completely about that detail in episode 2.
That said, I can certainly confirm there isn't any of this in episode 3 (well, we never see that room at all in this episode).
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Old 2008-09-02, 17:08   Link #378
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It's okay. It clears my suspicious after all

Well, if we never see the room in this ep. it doesn't mean there's nothing at this ep. so maybe there's still a chance for it to happen but nobody found out about it.

I'm going to think more about all of the clue until now
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Old 2008-09-02, 18:35   Link #379
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Old 2008-09-02, 19:07   Link #380
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Aaahh,
going nuts here

Well, you're right about the boiler room, peroyasha

I did read 設けられてなかった as 'not built, not created' ()

However
I checked the dictionary (http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/) and it gives it as a synonym of 用意する
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