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Old 2008-09-05, 19:40   Link #401
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Or just to add to the possibilities Maria could be a child conceived from rape
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Old 2008-09-05, 19:49   Link #402
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that would explain why rosa doesn't really like her... because it reminds her of the rape...

*reading too much 'bitter virgin'*

but it makes sense that way doesn't it? rosa tells everyone maria's father ran off or something to hide the fact she had been raped cuz she feels embarassed. still she decides to have the child but there are times when she remembers the inicident and starts hitting maria... I think that when she does that, she's probably thinking about the anger she feels towards Maria's father...
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Old 2008-09-05, 21:04   Link #403
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Rosa is a bad mother, it's not that she hates Maria, but there's alot of personality flaws in her.

She was the youngest of Kinzo's children. She was always belittled and to this day she had very little authority not to mention that she doesn't seem to be doing the Ushiromiya name any justice (You could not compare her business with those of the other siblings).

Maria could become a vent to all her hardships, not to mention that in her she sees the similar anguish she had suffered, belittled and lonely.

And not having a husband doesn't help either.
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Old 2008-09-06, 00:00   Link #404
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Also the fact that Maria has Savant Syndrome doesn't help their relationship at all.
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Old 2008-09-06, 00:10   Link #405
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Also the fact that Maria has Savant Syndrome doesn't help their relationship at all.
Let's hope Maria turns out to be a prodigious savant
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Also the fact that Maria has Savant Syndrome doesn't help their relationship at all.
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Old 2008-09-06, 00:35   Link #407
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Actually considering Ep 2's epilogue I'm not sure if that's the case
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Old 2008-09-06, 02:19   Link #408
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Spoiler for Off-topic on what you guys are discussing:
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Umineko no Naku Koro ni Ep1: Finished
Umineko no Naku Koro ni Ep2: Finished
Umineko no Naku Koro ni Ep3: Finished
Umineko no Naku Koro ni Ep4: Finished

Umineko no Naku Koro ni EP5: ...??

Accumulating 07th point -.-
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Old 2008-09-06, 03:12   Link #409
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that would explain why rosa doesn't really like her... because it reminds her of the rape...

*reading too much 'bitter virgin'*

but it makes sense that way doesn't it? rosa tells everyone maria's father ran off or something to hide the fact she had been raped cuz she feels embarassed. still she decides to have the child but there are times when she remembers the inicident and starts hitting maria... I think that when she does that, she's probably thinking about the anger she feels towards Maria's father...
She does love Maria, deeply.

Everyone can tell that from EP2, and EP3 also

She is just an inexperienced mother with little patience.
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Old 2008-09-06, 07:15   Link #410
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That is something quite relative.
Considering she is always "trying" to love Maria, I'm quite unsure about that.

Furthermore, if you add the fact she is rather feeling guilty as a "mother", instead of truely liking Maria as a girl, it isn't exactly helping the matter at all.
She might have consideration mixed with her inexperience and short temper, but that isn't exactly prove she "loves" Maria, let alone deeply.
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Old 2008-09-06, 08:21   Link #411
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More about Rosa;

In the last of episode 1;

「……戦人くんだって気付いてるんじゃないかい。
…真里亞ちゃんの本当の父親はずいぶん昔に蒸発してるんだ。
…叔母さんはそれを、海外出張とか言って誤魔化しているけど、ね。」

「…………右代宮家では、楼座さんたちに関わる話はタブーとされているところがあります。」

「叔母さんは再婚だって考えたと思うよ。
……でも、真里亞ちゃんの存在が枷になって、非常に難しかったんじゃないかと思うんだ。
…………だって叔母さんは時折、…ものすごく感情的に真里亞ちゃんに当たっていたから。」



So, the guy disappeared long ago and Rosa said to Maria he went on a 'business trip', and since they are talking about 'second marriage', it means Rosa was married with him.
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Old 2008-09-06, 10:36   Link #412
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More about Rosa;

In the last of episode 1;

「……戦人くんだって気付いてるんじゃないかい。
…真里亞ちゃんの本当の父親はずいぶん昔に蒸発してるんだ。
…叔母さんはそれを、海外出張とか言って誤魔化しているけど、ね。」

「…………右代宮家では、楼座さんたちに関わる話はタブーとされているところがあります。」

「叔母さんは再婚だって考えたと思うよ。
……でも、真里亞ちゃんの存在が枷になって、非常に難しかったんじゃないかと思うんだ。
…………だって叔母さんは時折、…ものすごく感情的に真里亞ちゃんに当たっていたから。」



So, the guy disappeared long ago and Rosa said to Maria he went on a 'business trip', and since they are talking about 'second marriage', it means Rosa was married with him.

They can still be two seperate person. Maria's father who was "vapourized", and someone whom she married before and seperated.
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Old 2008-09-06, 23:26   Link #414
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Rosa in ep2...where Beatrice fixed the Halloween candy.
Shannon in ep2...where Beatrice appears and disappears in midair.
Shannon and Kanon in ep2...where Beatice gives them both the butterfly mark.
Ginzo and Kanon in ep2...Kanon can see Beatrice but Ginzo doesn't.
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Old 2008-09-07, 17:12   Link #417
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That IS a lot fewer tricks to have to deal with, though. Might be a good line of thinking there.
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Old 2008-09-09, 18:40   Link #418
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Who's up for some Umineko real-live action logicals?
I got this from a chinese forum: ACGOL
Credits to pan120678 for the setup and question

It's like solving a question and fighting against Beatrice
Through the question, you may request for recital in red
I've tried, and yet not so much occured to me
So I've decided to turn to you guys for help
The author of this question did not give out the answers yet, and probably will later
So you guys have a chance as well
I'll re-post the recital request of you guys' to the original post in chinese after translation
So what'ya say? Up for it?
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The setup is as follows:

Characters: Jessica, Kanon and Battler

-Jessica was found dead in a room(Doesn't matter which room)
-In the room there were also Kanon and Battler
-Jessica's death seems likely to be the result of her chest cut open
-Kanon holds a blood-dripping cleaver in his hand

Now for what the guys over there had requested for recital

Here's what's been accepted to be announced in red:
Spoiler for Accepted for red recital:


Now for the one's which the author refuses to recital in red:

Spoiler for Refused:


That's all for now, good luck on trying'to solve it ^_^
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Umineko no Naku Koro ni EP5: ...??

Accumulating 07th point -.-

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Old 2008-09-09, 21:52   Link #419
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The murderer... IS YOU!!! *points at Nadeor*
I say it was suicide.
Although the true "murderer" of Jessica was the person who made the question in the first place, pan120678. Hannin wa... omae da!
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Old 2008-09-09, 22:03   Link #420
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Hmm, is it expicitly said that that particuilar cleaver was the one that stabbed Jessica?
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