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Old 2009-01-31, 09:22   Link #961
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I'm curious about something at the end of ep3 and ep4.

Spoiler:
EP4 gives a good reason for them to call her Lady Maria, but, here, it would be a spoiler.

And the end of EP3 is pretty much a trap from Beato.
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Old 2009-01-31, 12:06   Link #962
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Hi, guys!

Just finished reading Umineko (3rd EP) yesterday and I have a few questions going around in my head. Would any of you be kind enough to tell me if they are answered in EP4?

*SPOILERS for EP3*
Spoiler for Umineko EP3:


That's all.
*Answer to Spoilers above*
Spoiler for Umineko EP3:
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Old 2009-01-31, 14:54   Link #963
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Efficient coding mandates that you don't use an "else if" command for the opposite conditional, you can just use "else" because there are only two cases anyway.

Don't be so quick to discount the possibility that something resembling golden butterflies can actually exist, either.
Yeah that's the case
I was just giving the else if statement to re-state my point; In case anyone got the other possibility messed up with the previous one

Well to me the likelihood of the existence of Golden Butterflies is not that much
First of all, they appears whenever magic is involved
Second of all, Beatrice and other witches used them to form different 'familiars' or even to form bodies of themselves
...The Hinamizawa syndrome is 'understandable'
but this?
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Old 2009-02-01, 01:21   Link #964
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1. Virgilia and Kumasawa are separate entities. As shown in the banquet in the end, both are not sharing the same body. Therefore, Virgilia just used Kumasawa as a vessel in episode 3, that's all.
Also, remember that Beato stirred too much stuff over the chessboards that made virgilia awakening.
Finally, since magic is obviously pure fantasy that should not be considered thus far, regardless if they are the same person, it is plain normal kumasawa cannot survive.

2. That is not true if Virgilia is controlled by Beato. If she becomes her pawn (just like "dark" kanon in episode 2), even if she is almighty, ever since she is revived by Beato, it is useless.
Since we had that tips + dream at the start (which cannot be witnessed by Battler), it means that Virgilia was most likely what she was shown to begin with, but there isn't any clue that shows when she turned into Beato's side.

3. Considering Ronove's usual jabs, it is very likely that he knew the plan.
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Thanks for the help, both of you.
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Old 2009-02-01, 19:55   Link #965
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An interesting theory I saw today
Maybe we can take another different Approach on colors

Spoiler for EP3:
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Old 2009-02-01, 20:52   Link #966
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An interesting theory I saw today
Maybe we can take another different Approach on colors

Spoiler for EP3:

I said it before but Im very carefull when interpreting "magic". That really limits my aproaches though since its about 50/50 in the things Id consider trustworthy(what real Battler sees and Red Text) and dubious (anything "Beatrice" comes up with).

But Magic seems to me to be colourcode for the "owner".
Gold:The endless Witch
Red:The Servants
Blue:Beatrices Furniture
Purple: Virgilia
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Old 2009-02-01, 21:43   Link #967
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I finished episode 3 this morning (it's night now), so my memory's not at its best, but there's one thing that's been stuck in my mind for some reason.
Spoiler for episode 3:

I know this actually speculation on stuff in episode 1, but since some of the "evidence" (I don't know how to say it) is revealed in ep3, I had to put it here. I'm still supporting the "Magic exists, but is not directly involved with the crime" side.
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Old 2009-02-02, 23:00   Link #968
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Is it me, or does Kanon seem more defiant with each EP? In EP1 he seems pretty resigned with the fact that he's furniture, but in EP3 he outright claims that he no longer wants to be furniture. Or is it just his dislike of Beatrice?
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Old 2009-02-02, 23:29   Link #969
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Is it me, or does Kanon seem more defiant with each EP? In EP1 he seems pretty resigned with the fact that he's furniture, but in EP3 he outright claims that he no longer wants to be furniture. Or is it just his dislike of Beatrice?
I also noticed this. Don't know if it's because of Beatrice or if Shannon's words finally got to him.
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Old 2009-02-03, 00:48   Link #970
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I also noticed this. Don't know if it's because of Beatrice or if Shannon's words finally got to him.
Maybe all that courage is starting to built up episode to episode. Maybe he's Bern's piece?
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Old 2009-02-03, 04:06   Link #971
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Maybe all that courage is starting to built up episode to episode. Maybe he's Bern's piece?
Could be.

I was going to say something else but it's spoilers for the next ep.
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Old 2009-02-03, 10:30   Link #972
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Spoiler for EP3:
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Accumulating 07th point -.-
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Old 2009-02-07, 12:26   Link #973
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I am in the early stages of my episode 2 replay but I thought I might as well share some observations.

Spoiler for ep. 1-3:
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Old 2009-02-07, 15:17   Link #974
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I am in the early stages of my episode 2 replay but I thought I might as well share some observations.

Spoiler for ep. 1-3:
Kanon also gets a confidence boost about his 'Furniture' issue, aswell.
It could be manipulation, or it could just be 'chance'. That's not the word I was looking for though. ><<;
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Old 2009-02-07, 15:24   Link #975
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Kanon also gets a confidence boost about his 'Furniture' issue, aswell.
It could be manipulation, or it could just be 'chance'. That's not the word I was looking for though. ><<;
I also think it culd be a bit of manipulation. Considering the game properly starts when the storm arrives, Beato could've manipulated some things since before (I think of it as preparing her pieces), but that would be supporting the anti-mystery side.

But if we also consider that the game is reset every time, I think it could be possible that things develop differently (like a separate reality), regardless of Beatrice's intervention. It's pretty silly, I know but, well *shrug*
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Old 2009-02-07, 21:46   Link #976
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Thing is, have we even considered if they're just moving back time or moving from one world to the next? If the former is true, then there might be a chance that they were manipulated by her, but if it is the latter, then it's likely that events had changed between worlds.
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Old 2009-02-07, 22:20   Link #977
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Just to list what may or may not be consistent

Spoiler for Episode 1:



Spoiler for Episode 2:


Spoiler for Episode 3:


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Spoiler for Matrim's spoiler:
Very good theory.
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Old 2009-02-08, 02:13   Link #978
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Kanon does seem to have a boost in confidence since his introduction from ep1.

Kanon's development from ep1~3:

Ep1: Equipped one of the strongest weapon in Higurashi world.

Ep2: Killed a goat

Ep3: Lost his right arm but defeated the one of the sisters.



Spoiler for Kanon's real development.:
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Old 2009-02-08, 08:12   Link #979
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Wow.....We found someone almost as cruel as Eva-Beatrice right there.
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Old 2009-02-08, 12:40   Link #980
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Spoiler for Kanon's future development by the rate he's going:
... Kanon ;-;
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