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Old 2010-01-13, 02:04   Link #181
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That "thing" qualifies as fucking Nightmare Fuel if you ask me.
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Old 2010-01-13, 03:21   Link #182
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Hilarious that he ended up in the sea two times, the second when Ikaros "knocked" the door, and remembered the wise words "Don't forget to flush"
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Old 2010-01-13, 03:49   Link #183
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Does anyone know if the Angel that was sleeping at Synapse, and now joining the Discovery club, is aware of her being an Angel? I don't think that was mentioned anywhere right?

If that is true, a lot more people could be Angels
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Old 2010-01-13, 03:53   Link #184
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Hilarious that he ended up in the sea two times, the second when Ikaros "knocked" the door, and remembered the wise words "Don't forget to flush"
I was dying of laughter around that point. It was kind of predictable that the door would be broken given the words earlier: 'Knocking is HITTING the door.' But tying in the 'Don't forget to flush', that was GOLDEN.
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Old 2010-01-13, 05:32   Link #185
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Does anyone know if the Angel that was sleeping at Synapse, and now joining the Discovery club, is aware of her being an Angel? I don't think that was mentioned anywhere right?

If that is true, a lot more people could be Angels
no it was not mentioned.... and its rather clear that the room on the synapse was FULL of sleeping pods... sugata saw dream/visions of other people (the man in train... the old woman with cat on her legs.... and hiori talking with a friend and saying that she loves tomoki)

so its rather obvious that there are other angels.... but the question is... are the angels all around the globe... or are those Sorami city people (sora -sky... so whay if it was called becouse of lots of angels down there)

but I wonder if there are slepeing angels on earth surface... than why council wants to kill the downers.... is it that its the only way to wake them up... or they act kinda like spy's that council can ented in everyones dream and see what they see throught their dream (infiltrate the enemy and learn about their weeknes)

it was not mentioned so far if angels that are on earth duo their sleep on synapse are aware of their real form (angels).... but I guess sugata will want to learn about this matter from now on...."the connection between the sleeping pods and the human form"

well its similar to tomoki with exception that tomoki doesnt need any sleeping pods/machines to appear at synapse throught his sleep (tomoki sleep: earth ->synapse.... angels sleep: synapse -> earth ^^... so maybe if tomoki was on synapse and slept there he would appear on earth surface XD)

anyway hope hat the author will drop fillers for few chapters and will focus more on the plot debelopment ^^ (heh it would be funny if deidalos start getting jelous that other angel beisdes her is able to be for so long and so close to tomoki... while she cant )
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Old 2010-01-13, 07:39   Link #186
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Old 2010-01-13, 15:10   Link #187
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(tomoki sleep: earth ->synapse.... angels sleep: synapse -> earth ^^... so maybe if tomoki was on synapse and slept there he would appear on earth surface XD)
I wonder about this theory. For example, if Hiyori is sleeping in Synapse but awake on earth, why wouldn't the same be true for Tomo and his friends? Since we don't know if the Angels "wake up" after they go to sleep on Earth, how do we know which is the dream and which is the reality?

I think that's the double meaning behind Nymph telling Sugata he is real. It's possible that *everyone* in Sorami Town is "asleep" in Synapse, but that Tomoki is special in that his dream doubles as a portal right to Synapse instead of it being a one way dream like everyone else (they dream of Earth, and just sleep with nonsense dreams, he dreams of Earth and Synapse in addition to his nonsense dreams).

If you think about it, the biggest clue that Tomoki is an Angel like everyone else is that Sugata sees him in the same "flash" he sees all of the other people in the town, including Hiyori who he actually sees as an Angel in the capsule before being caught by Gamma.
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Old 2010-01-13, 15:29   Link #188
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He sees Tomoki from Hiyori's point of view. Also the guy on the train is obviously not in Sorami town because its obvious outside the window of that scene that its not there. I mean the town is only 6xxx people afterall.

Also I don't think all the people of the town are going to be angels, maybe a couple though. Synapse was flying crazily all over the planet, it only recently stopped above Sorami so I assume that the sleeping angels are all over the world too.
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Old 2010-01-13, 15:38   Link #189
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I wonder about this theory. For example, if Hiyori is sleeping in Synapse but awake on earth, why wouldn't the same be true for Tomo and his friends? Since we don't know if the Angels "wake up" after they go to sleep on Earth, how do we know which is the dream and which is the reality?

I think that's the double meaning behind Nymph telling Sugata he is real. It's possible that *everyone* in Sorami Town is "asleep" in Synapse, but that Tomoki is special in that his dream doubles as a portal right to Synapse instead of it being a one way dream like everyone else (they dream of Earth, and just sleep with nonsense dreams, he dreams of Earth and Synapse in addition to his nonsense dreams).

If you think about it, the biggest clue that Tomoki is an Angel like everyone else is that Sugata sees him in the same "flash" he sees all of the other people in the town, including Hiyori who he actually sees as an Angel in the capsule before being caught by Gamma.
or only Tomoki is an angel that lives on earth surface from all people in sorami town... that's why only he was able to appear on synapse (strange phenomena like astrea said while re-booting).... so Sugata might be real as a natural human beign..... yet tomoki is kinda strange from everyone else XD

his size [similar to deidalos or hiori]... angels appear at his place... he appears at synapse throught dream... and now hiori and sleeping angel appears at his place too XD (well maybe its becouse tomoki is an angel other angels subconsciously get attached to him...)


we cant say that every human on earth is an sleeping angel.... becouse sugata saw only dreams of 3people (their throughts at that time... and not loud lines that other hear.... yet tomoki was yelling at ikaros in hioris vision)

for sure Sugata throught that he might be sleeping on synapse and he on earth surface is just an illusion.... but nymph calmed him down saying that he is real [human]......

well if tomoki was double-sleeping (sleeping on synapse while he appers on eath... and when his earth illusion gets to sleep another one appers back at synapse) it would be too much stupid ^^.... becouse angeloids needs physical master to imprint their chain... I doubt they can imprint to an illusion created by a sleeping angel....... the same if Tomo was sleeping at synapse wouldnt be easier if Deidalos woke up sleeping tomo ^^ and not use a dream form...


hehe I remember Irakos words in past chapters... when tomoki jumped out of window with sugatas made wings..... Ikraos said there that master has big wings :P well maybe she was not lieing back there (I dont think she was able to lie at that time)... and simply tomoki is an angel but his wings are sealed right now ^^

since there has to be an explanation why Deidalos knows tomoki from childhood.... and why tomo was soo suffering becouse of that dream that made him cry.... she had to be very important to him somehow.... maybe tomo was an angel (maybe synapse ruler)... but than the current council thown him from his throne and he ended up on earth surface.... with sealed memories and wings of his connection to synapse...

time will show how it will play off... still I think that there might be only few angels in Sorami town... and tomo is one of them.... rest are humans ^^
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Old 2010-01-13, 16:02   Link #190
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He sees Tomoki from Hiyori's point of view. Also the guy on the train is obviously not in Sorami town because its obvious outside the window of that scene that its not there. I mean the town is only 6xxx people afterall.
His viewpoint shifts considerably from seeing Hiyori to seeing Tomoki. I don't think he was looking through the eyes of the sleeping angels. Fair point on the train though...it's possible he saw someone in another town.

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becouse angeloids needs physical master to imprint their chain... I doubt they can imprint to an illusion created by a sleeping angel
I think maybe illusion is too literal. They have to feel real or people would realize something is wrong. I have no doubts they feel pain and pleasure just like a normal person would. It's never stated that angeloids need a physical master and we don't really know how imprinting works anyway. Just that the chain connects an angeloid to a master, nothing more.

Think of it like this - have you ever had a dream where you felt like you were actually there? Or when you woke up, it still felt like you were dreaming? These kinds of phenomena happen in real life. Some are strong enough to make people question their own sense of reality.

Reality is defined as an affirmation of existence (I think, therefore I am), and can include aspects proven (pinch yourself) in addition to aspects we cannot prove (I believe it exists, so it's possible it could exist).

So yes, we're all real. But what if someone challenged that? Think of it like the Matrix, where you are so sure, so certain, that your reality is real that when someone "wakes you up" your first impulse is to question it, even reject it. How do you calm someone down from that? Yes...you are real.
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Old 2010-01-13, 16:30   Link #191
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I think maybe illusion is too literal. They have to feel real or people would realize something is wrong. I have no doubts they feel pain and pleasure just like a normal person would. It's never stated that angeloids need a physical master and we don't really know how imprinting works anyway. Just that the chain connects an angeloid to a master, nothing more.

Think of it like this - have you ever had a dream where you felt like you were actually there? Or when you woke up, it still felt like you were dreaming? These kinds of phenomena happen in real life. Some are strong enough to make people question their own sense of reality.

Reality is defined as an affirmation of existence (I think, therefore I am), and can include aspects proven (pinch yourself) in addition to aspects we cannot prove (I believe it exists, so it's possible it could exist).

So yes, we're all real. But what if someone challenged that? Think of it like the Matrix, where you are so sure, so certain, that your reality is real that when someone "wakes you up" your first impulse is to question it, even reject it. How do you calm someone down from that? Yes...you are real.
yeah I already mentioned few times about matix referance ^^... anywya what I meant with the illusions and angeloids...

well the sleeping angel is the real person... while the one on ground is an illusion which is alretnative person of the sleeping angel body.... but we dont know if they bleed like humans ect.

about imprinting to a master...well what if angeloid imprinted herself to an alternative angel person (sleeping angel)... than the chain connects to that image... but what if that image disappears (angel wakeing up in synapse) ^^ than the connection would be severed too... since mostly the angeloid imptints the image of master.... and the alternative-horm (on earth) is differnt from the one in synapse (wings ) XD


anyway for sure from now the story will get more interesting... sugata might want to invastigate the connection between sleepin angels and earth-form.... heh maybe tomoki will stand in and protect hiori from sugatas inspection or tests ^^ adn for sure hiori will seed jelousy inside ikaros, nymph, astrea and sohara... she will spend more time close to him... both haveing good time :P

but still few weeks to wait for next chapter T____T
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Old 2010-01-13, 21:43   Link #192
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what about his goddamn PERVERTEDNESS?! I highly think that he was not with that pervertedness before his gramps 'tuned' him.....

OR that attitude is a limiter..... so that he will not do anything that can burn....

OR he may be a being more powerful than the angeloid council....
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Old 2010-01-13, 22:41   Link #193
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I'm still wondering why Deidalos has 4 wings and possibly how old are the Angels.
The place that Ikaros nuked looked pretty ancient, judging from the clothes and the buildings.

If they try to nuke a place in the current time, the whole world would know.


There's also the strange "acceptance" of flying individuals with "wings on their backs" (Angeloids) in the town.......
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Old 2010-01-14, 00:15   Link #194
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I'm still wondering why Deidalos has 4 wings and possibly how old are the Angels.
The place that Ikaros nuked looked pretty ancient, judging from the clothes and the buildings.

If they try to nuke a place in the current time, the whole world would know.
She destroyed the Tower of Babel.
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She destroyed the Tower of Babel.
When was this?
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Old 2010-01-14, 03:06   Link #196
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A long time ago, if you go by Sumerians possibly inspiring the story, around 4-5ish thousand years ago.
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Old 2010-01-14, 05:11   Link #197
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I think it was implied that Icaros tricked Synapse leaders allowing humanity to survive.

Plus the first combat Angeloid series was stolen goods from its creator.

Thre is something screwy about the master and others like him being in power.
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Old 2010-01-14, 05:59   Link #198
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hmm there is an interesting thing related to chapter 12 page 19... Ikaros says there that everyone has wings on their back that cant be seen... but Tomokis especially are big.....

so we can think in 2ways... that Ikaros said what she throught (duo her haveing wings so others must have too).... or all (or at least most) people have wings on their backs just like Hiori... so simply they are sleeping angels so duo that sleep they appear on earth surface as humans (without wings)...

and what nymph said to sugata if that was right would mean "that Sugata exists but he is in one of the sleeping pods too" so he is "real" (and not a product of someones dream)

hard to say... but maybe more Hiori will explain the situation a little ^^
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Old 2010-01-14, 07:06   Link #199
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hmm there is an interesting thing related to chapter 12 page 19... Ikaros says there that everyone has wings on their back that cant be seen... but Tomokis especially are big.....
yeah i used that for one of my reasons for thinking he was an angel as well

the other thing she could be implying is that he is just very kind compared to others ala has big wings
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Old 2010-01-14, 07:26   Link #200
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yeah i used that for one of my reasons for thinking he was an angel as well

the other thing she could be implying is that he is just very kind compared to others ala has big wings
yeah I know... but still Ikaros doesnt know about feelings (doesnt understand them) so could she say who is more kinder from other one...

so still its possible that tomoki is very kind and since he is her master he must be very good at heart so his wings have to be the biggest...... but there is another the other thing... well tomoki is the only human on earth that can connect throught sleep to synapse... and ikaros creator Deidalos is visiting Tomoki in his dream.... so he is special.... I wouldnt be supprised if Tomoki really had huge wings ^^


hmmm I was wondering what if all humans on earth are angels in synapse ^^ (at least most of them)... but this sleep form is new life.....so its like when the angel goes to sleep his other self is born on earth as human.... they live their human life... than they die on earth... the same its like their dream come to an end and they wake up (its like soul returning to heaven after the body died)... maybe after that they fall to sleep again and start the live over and over again (till the angel form dies)

so maybe real tomoki is sleepin at synapse.... and this is his new life on earth surface.... that's why deidalos knows him so well... becouse she knows him from synapse life...

anyway time will show how it will play off ^^
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