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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 17 Rating
Perfect 10 52 40.31%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 41 31.78%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 16 12.40%
7 out of 10 : Good 10 7.75%
6 out of 10 : Average 5 3.88%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.78%
4 out of 10 : Poor 2 1.55%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 2 1.55%
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Old 2008-08-01, 23:24   Link #221
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This was a pretty great episode, totally had a Gundam Seed flashback with Ozma, like Omni mentioned.

I thought the new opening was cute, is it going to stay like that permanently? Sad to see so little of Sheryl, but the episode still went through a lot of things.

I sense the Vajra destroying one of Alto's unlimited V-25's in the future.
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Old 2008-08-01, 23:27   Link #222
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This episode was great. Ozma almost pulled a Kamina!!!
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Old 2008-08-01, 23:42   Link #223
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Nanase is broadcasting Nina (from Geass) vibes like crazy. Being seduced by the devil because of a one-sided lesbian obsession and all. Next thing you know she's gonna find herself an attractive desk.
ahh that was exactly what was bothering me about Nanase. I couldn't pinpoint my feeling about her.

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so the latest episode lacks some sheryl scene. I'm only going to watch the last part of the episode when the raw comes out. Can't wait for the next episode already...poor Sheryl. You definitely have to come back stronger than ever!

shame that ozma didn't die...
I think it's kinda refreshing that Ozma didn't die...yet. I feel like lately a lot of really good characters are getting the knife really early.
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Old 2008-08-02, 00:00   Link #224
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I really like how they pulled this episode off. It was really smooth and had an atmosphere about it similar to episode 1 and 2.
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Old 2008-08-02, 00:08   Link #225
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Well, MaxXMillia and MisaXHikaru clones are just doing well in their relationships, so all is right in the world. XD


Interesting to note, is that Klan seems to still be studying in university, as I heard Mikhail say something about 'daigaku'. Seems as well that Mikhail also has a history of hitting on girls Klan introduces to him as her college buddies or something; c'mon Klan, that's self-defeating in your pursuit of true love.

All that said, she was simply adoreable this episode. And the way she said 'watashi wa...' during their fight, I just melted lol. XD


As for the episode itself, that's it Ozma. Show Mwu la Fraga AND Kamina how its done!

I do hope they go back to range battles later on, as melee and macross just don't jive well together IMO.
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Old 2008-08-02, 00:57   Link #226
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This whole episode was one giant rickroll.
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Old 2008-08-02, 01:04   Link #227
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Alto didn't know who Sheryl was because he's an enka otaku .

And this was a mediocre episode because of the insufficient amount of Sheryl.

Michel asks Klan out and she gets mad cause he wants her to introduce him to her blond friend. Plus he remembers her name even though she only introduced them once. Michel got a little suspicious so he wants her friend to check out the pill for him as he's obviously wary about going through official channels.

P.S. My depression this week is much worse than usual because of the lack of Sheryl-sama screen time...
I feel your pain my friend...Atleast we still have the ED although the preview for next episode wasn't looking to break the ranka streak...

I think after all those obvious death flags though Ozma should get some random death next episode...like getting hit by a bus or something...

*Shuffles back into the corner once more awaiting sheryl's triumphant return to form*
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Old 2008-08-02, 01:45   Link #228
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My favorite line of the episode comes at the end: "If he died, it would have been incredibly emotional, huh?"

Pretty much the director saying "Macross fans, you have just been trolled."
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Old 2008-08-02, 01:53   Link #229
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I can respect where you're coming from; I just saw what people were saying as rooting for Sheryl to just crash and burn as being really short-sighted, especially in the context of romance. I also think people are underestimating the support structure she's gained since she got to Frontier; people like Michael, and even Ranka, their differences aside, in addition to Alto, but I digress.
If I really enjoy a story enough to bother to analyze it on a forum, I look at it from two different perspectives.

First, thereīs the non-analytic enjoyment part, where I love and appreciate the characters. This part wants only the best for Sheryl and Alto and other characters I like in the show.

Second, there is the "storytelling" part, which looks at the characters in the way how they could best grow and progress. As I said for Sheryl, she started already as a beloved songstress with god-like self-confidence. After you have shown her likeable personality traits, which are to endear her to the audience, you have the problem that you cannot give her further meaningful character progression, if she stays the song-goddess that she has been since the beginning.

So, something has to give. Kawamori could have focused on her getting overshadowed by Ranka, and her getting jealous. But this would have made her unsympathetic in the eyes of many viewers, and that clearly is something Kawamori doesnīt want.

So, instead he is letting her take a fall on every front, which could lead to a breakdown of sorts, and as we can see from the preview it leads assuredly to some depression.

From that low point she can build herself up again, either by regaining her fame as a songstress on her own or maybe ( hopefully! ) going into a whole another direction, by becoming a pilot.

As for how she archieves that and with the help from whom, those are story details which are difficult to predict, so unless we get some heavy spoilers, itīs for us to wait and see next thursday.

The same applies for the romance front, as it all depends on how much Kawamori wants to involve Alto in her downfall next episode. I can definitely see him giving her support, if he gets wind of what has been happening, but I also can see him not being involved until the next episode after. But as soon as Sheryl-sama decides to take her life in her own hands again, watch out Alto!
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Old 2008-08-02, 02:26   Link #230
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If Sheryl stayed the best at everything and her confidence never wavered she'd just be simply something Ranka has to overcome and surpass, a goal, and nothing more. Kind of like what some Ranka fans seem to think now, that Sheryl's actions are all plot devices for Ranka.
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So, something has to give. Kawamori could have focused on her getting overshadowed by Ranka, and her getting jealous. But this would have made her unsympathetic in the eyes of many viewers, and that clearly is something Kawamori doesnīt want.
ia with that. It's interesting to begin with because Sheryl always wanted Ranka to succeed, so it's not in character for her to be jealous. How Sheryl's character is, she'll blame her failings on herself before she blames them on Ranka.
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Old 2008-08-02, 03:11   Link #231
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ia with that. It's interesting to begin with because Sheryl always wanted Ranka to succeed, so it's not in character for her to be jealous. How Sheryl's character is, she'll blame her failings on herself before she blames them on Ranka.
How can you not respect that? I find Sheryl such a respectable character because of that will of hers. She just doesn't care if others succeeded, she only cares how she can outperform herself, and always gives her best while at it.

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Old 2008-08-02, 03:33   Link #232
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How can you not respect that? I find Sheryl such a respectable character because of that will of hers. She just doesn't care if others succeeded, she only cares how she can outperform herself, and always gives her best while at it.

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Actually, she *does* care for the success of others. But in the supportive way, not in the jealous one.
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Old 2008-08-02, 03:40   Link #233
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Actually, she *does* care for the success of others. But in the supportive way, not in the jealous one.
Well, what I mean is, she does not care if others surpass her in certain fields, she just does what she does best.


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Bah, you know what I meant!

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Old 2008-08-02, 04:15   Link #234
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Good ep, i lol'd pretty hard at the end. Guess they couldn't make Ozma pull a Roy after all xD
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Old 2008-08-02, 04:19   Link #235
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Did they mention what Ai-Kun is?
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Old 2008-08-02, 05:45   Link #237
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Well, what I mean is, she does not care if others surpass her in certain fields, she just does what she does best.


...

Bah, you know what I meant!

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Oh, I know. But as we got some new people showing up for the episode, they maybe donīt.
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Old 2008-08-02, 06:46   Link #238
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This episode was great. Ozma almost pulled a Kamina!!!
No, it's Kamina who pulled a Roy Fokker.

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As for the episode itself, that's it Ozma. Show Mwu la Fraga AND Kamina how its done!
Ozma didn't almost went the Mwu la Fraga way, he just defended the bridge and lived like Hikaru.

You don't have to go to other series for references. It's all in the Macross universe.
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Old 2008-08-02, 06:57   Link #239
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It is interesting that Bilrer created SMS as a escort force for interstellar travel and transportation.

Kinda like Angel Links without the "doing it for free" thing.

Given in the Macross universe there are pirates and black market smugglers it is logical that UN Spacy can't cover everybody. Particularly with the priority with rogue Zentradi groups and modern incarnations of the Anti-UN.

I'm beginning to see how Galaxy and SMS got involved in the 117th fleet.

Galaxy are the corporations that sponsored the 117th fleet while SMS was it's hired escort.

It is understandable that Luca who has a corporation of his own does not want a monopoly in fold transportation.

Grace and Galaxy-Anonymous are apparently seeking something more grander ambition than the quick fold travel and communication dream of Bilrer.

Grace saying "We" confirms to me that LAI has a branch in Galaxy.

Which explains the Dimension eater and the VF-27 being similar to the VF-25.
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^ I think it was UN Spacy that escorted the 117th. Ozma was still in the Spacy back then.

Anyway, I've heard some mention of rain... What? Rain in a space colony? Hm, how would they do it?
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