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Kanon · 2011-03-20, 08:11

This arc took a very disappointed turn. Nanamine's portrayal has become way too caricatural. I was hoping he'd become a solid villain when he was first introduced...

Hiramaru is single-handedly saving this arc. His YAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaayyyy cracked me up so much

blade82 · 2011-03-20, 17:12

i really want to see a 4-koma spin off with Hiramaru and Yoshida

Shiroth · 2011-03-20, 17:18

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i really want to see a 4-koma spin off with Hiramaru and Yoshida

I probably speak for the lot of us here who post in this thread when i say i agree with you.

Claies · 2011-03-22, 00:54

I think it's not that bad if we look at the arc as not focused on Nanamine. It's actually more about Kosugi. This is essentially the reverse of the relationship that Ashirogi Muto had with Miura. In this case, Kosugi is the one who at first capitulated with the other's more aggressive ideas, suffered great losses in the process, and now learned to push back. I do find it interesting how this can go the other way, which is why I'm a bit disappointed that I don't get to see (yet?) Kosugi talking to get permission from the boss and Hattori about the fight. The latest chapter made me think of him as a future badass editor like Hattori.

It looks like Obata and Ohba suffered exactly what Nanamine is doing though... the story is all over the place between this fight, Nakai's sloppy return, and Hiramaru's tea time.

Shiroth · 2011-03-22, 11:06

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Originally Posted by Claies

It looks like Obata and Ohba suffered exactly what Nanamine is doing though... the story is all over the place between this fight, Nakai's sloppy return, and Hiramaru's tea time.

I wouldn't say 'suffered'. Bakuman has never just been about the creation of manga, so there's nothing wrong with seeing such scenes in the series. It's been like that for a long time.

Anh_Minh · 2011-03-27, 07:34

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Originally Posted by Claies

I think it's not that bad if we look at the arc as not focused on Nanamine. It's actually more about Kosugi. This is essentially the reverse of the relationship that Ashirogi Muto had with Miura. In this case, Kosugi is the one who at first capitulated with the other's more aggressive ideas, suffered great losses in the process, and now learned to push back. I do find it interesting how this can go the other way, which is why I'm a bit disappointed that I don't get to see (yet?) Kosugi talking to get permission from the boss and Hattori about the fight.

It's to preserve the ambiguity. Did he really get permission, or was he just tricking Ashirogi Muto? When he said that, that's the first thought that occurred to me: he didn't get permission at all, and it's going to cause trouble for Ashirogi. For which he'll atone by resigning, but will it be enough to shield them?

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The latest chapter made me think of him as a future badass editor like Hattori.

We'll see. Even if I'm right, he may get a second chance as an editor. Since he was handed an impossible situation to start with and his intentions weren't bad.

Xellos-_^ · 2011-03-27, 15:56

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It's to preserve the ambiguity. Did he really get permission, or was he just tricking Ashirogi Muto? When he said that, that's the first thought that occurred to me: he didn't get permission at all, and it's going to cause trouble for Ashirogi. For which he'll atone by resigning, but will it be enough to shield them?

sj is first and foremost a business, unless the senior editors are stuoid they not going to can Ashirogi muto and their manga over something like this when is ready take the fall for it all.

Anh_Minh · 2011-03-27, 16:08

I suppose they'll be alright in the end, since it doesn't look like we're anywhere close to the end... But they could still milk it for some drama, since Ashirogi Muto have a reputation as headstrong troublemakers, and the Editor in Chief is rather attached to the authority of the editor over the author.

Tiberium Wolf · 2011-04-02, 08:01

Spoiler for CH 126:

Anh_Minh · 2011-04-02, 08:11

Spoiler for 126:

Kafriel · 2011-04-02, 08:55

Spoiler for 126:

Xagzan · 2011-04-02, 12:41

Looks like Ohba was channeling Light this chapter.

And that girl who turned out to be "nobuo" was kinda cute

Tiberium Wolf · 2011-04-02, 12:58

I think nobuo was the guy sleeping next. Random girls went to screw with his pc.

totoum · 2011-04-02, 13:31

Well glad this is coming to an end,I liked it at the beginning but like others I really wanted it to end.

One thing though,in the last 2 arcs I wasn't liking the art that much but I've really been liking it in this arc so at least there's that.

Excelion · 2011-04-02, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Xagzan

Looks like Ohba was channeling Light this chapter.

My thoughts exactly. And yeah, I'm glad this arc is finally over. The first part of this chapter was just restating what we already knew. Hopefully we'll get some Eiji again.

Xellos-_^ · 2011-04-02, 14:04

Takagi was right but not entirely correct. A large group of people certainly wouldn't work but a small group of 4 - 6 people Clamp should be fine. If Nanamine had kept his group to around like he started with he would have been ok but he took a good idea and stretch it into a bad idea.

Anh_Minh · 2011-04-02, 14:09

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Takagi was right but not entirely correct. A large group of people certainly wouldn't work but a small group of 4 - 6 people Clamp should be fine. If Nanamine had kept his group to around like he started with he would have been ok but he took a good idea and stretch it into a bad idea.

It wasn't just the size. It was the involvement. Nanamine was the only one with any incentive to take things seriously. So when the going got tough, people just left. Why wouldn't they?

One of the editors also mentioned the characters acting out of character... That, too, can be blamed on the group dynamics. It's not impossible for a few people to have a coherent enough artistic vision to make things work, but Nanamine didn't put enough effort into that either.

lightbringer · 2011-04-02, 14:24

Nanamine's arc was interesting at the start but in retrospect it feels like the duo ran out of ideas. Here's to hoping the next arc will deliver more consistently.

janipani · 2011-04-03, 12:41

Nobou was just a little school girl who trolls

lol

Excelion · 2011-04-03, 15:03

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Nanamine's arc was interesting at the start but in retrospect it feels like the duo ran out of ideas. Here's to hoping the next arc will deliver more consistently.

Yeah, I thought there would have been a bit more in the way of manipulating the editorial department as a whole, but after he shut his blog down, that was really the end of it. From there onward it was mostly downhill.

2011-03-20, 08:11	Link #1861
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 26	This arc took a very disappointed turn. Nanamine's portrayal has become way too caricatural. I was hoping he'd become a solid villain when he was first introduced... Hiramaru is single-handedly saving this arc. His YAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaayyyy cracked me up so much __________________

2011-04-02, 08:01	Link #1869
Tiberium Wolf Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Age: 33	Spoiler for CH 126: LOL to Nakai and his foolish moves. Specially the one asking that girl to out for dinner. Anyway... THE END for Nanamine. Seems like he cracked for good now. __________________ Last edited by Tiberium Wolf; 2011-04-02 at 08:19.

2011-04-02, 08:11	Link #1870
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Spoiler for 126: So it was all true after all. :\ I'm more interested in what'll happen to Nanmine's editor than Nanmine himself. And kinda curious about Nakai, even if he is a jerk.

2011-04-02, 08:55	Link #1871
Kafriel Senior Guest Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Athens (GMT+2) Age: 24	Spoiler for 126: How I see things turning out: Nanamine in sanitarium, Nakai back to the farm and work his ass off, hopefully never to show his face again. Maybe then things will get better...this arc had been good for a while but it's gotten stale for me now, PCP's victory has been implied since 3 chapters or so. __________________

2011-04-02, 12:58	Link #1873
Tiberium Wolf Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Age: 33	I think nobuo was the guy sleeping next. Random girls went to screw with his pc. __________________

2011-03-20, 17:12	Link #1862
blade82 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: you have to find out	i really want to see a 4-koma spin off with Hiramaru and Yoshida

2011-03-22, 00:54	Link #1864
Claies Good-Natured Asshole. Join Date: May 2007 Age: 23	I think it's not that bad if we look at the arc as not focused on Nanamine. It's actually more about Kosugi. This is essentially the reverse of the relationship that Ashirogi Muto had with Miura. In this case, Kosugi is the one who at first capitulated with the other's more aggressive ideas, suffered great losses in the process, and now learned to push back. I do find it interesting how this can go the other way, which is why I'm a bit disappointed that I don't get to see (yet?) Kosugi talking to get permission from the boss and Hattori about the fight. The latest chapter made me think of him as a future badass editor like Hattori. It looks like Obata and Ohba suffered exactly what Nanamine is doing though... the story is all over the place between this fight, Nakai's sloppy return, and Hiramaru's tea time.

2011-03-27, 16:08	Link #1868
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	I suppose they'll be alright in the end, since it doesn't look like we're anywhere close to the end... But they could still milk it for some drama, since Ashirogi Muto have a reputation as headstrong troublemakers, and the Editor in Chief is rather attached to the authority of the editor over the author.

2011-04-02, 12:41	Link #1872
Xagzan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	Looks like Ohba was channeling Light this chapter. And that girl who turned out to be "nobuo" was kinda cute

2011-04-02, 13:31	Link #1874
totoum 75% M Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dublin, Ireland Age: 25	Well glad this is coming to an end,I liked it at the beginning but like others I really wanted it to end. One thing though,in the last 2 arcs I wasn't liking the art that much but I've really been liking it in this arc so at least there's that. __________________

2011-04-02, 14:04	Link #1876
Xellos-_^ Married Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: R'lyeh Age: 37	Takagi was right but not entirely correct. A large group of people certainly wouldn't work but a small group of 4 - 6 people Clamp should be fine. If Nanamine had kept his group to around like he started with he would have been ok but he took a good idea and stretch it into a bad idea. __________________

2011-04-02, 14:24	Link #1878
lightbringer M9000 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SBC Gurokken	Nanamine's arc was interesting at the start but in retrospect it feels like the duo ran out of ideas. Here's to hoping the next arc will deliver more consistently.

2011-04-03, 12:41	Link #1879
janipani Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Europe	Nobou was just a little school girl who trolls lol __________________ The man of million typos The master of confusing sentence structure -Best anime was made in 80s-